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Catechism of the Catholic Church: Prologue
Vatican ^ | 1997

Posted on 06/14/2008 1:01:32 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Dr. Eckleburg; markomalley; P-Marlowe
IMHO, an ecumenical thread is limited to religious discourse vs an open thread where even the heathens may participate.

I don't care to reread the RCC catechism without being permitted to challenge its manifold errors.

Just curious, but would be interested in one of the errors, if any, you find in this post, and a documented explanation with scriptural reference. Thank you.

61 posted on 06/15/2008 2:08:04 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: OpusatFR
I have to check and see what they are teaching the young’uns at our parish. Maybe that is what we all must do.

See my post #61 - sorry for not including you.

62 posted on 06/15/2008 2:14:41 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Your post, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2031149/posts?page=60#60, with a few additions as to the history, needs to be repeated again and again, changing names, parishes to protect the innocent (guilty?) and put in every Catholic newspaper in the United States.

Well written, FRiend.


63 posted on 06/15/2008 2:16:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ConorMacNessa
I still have my 1st Grade Catechism from 1953 - complete with Imprimatur from the Bishop of Brooklyn.

OMG!!! I still have my 1st Grade Composition Book from 1954 - complete with stamps on the pages. Our first assignment was to write the number "1" - 100 times! (my right hand still aches :-)

I also attended Catholic school in the Diocese of Brooklyn - Sacred Heart School in Cambria Heights for 3 years, followed by Our Lady of the Cenacle in Richmond Hill from grades 4 through 8. Which one did you attend?

64 posted on 06/15/2008 2:21:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: tiki

I know what you mean. I loved teaching the 7th graders. I was able to reach them mostly. But then they needed someone to teach 3rd grade and I just could not seem to reach them. I just prayed that I did no harm. It just was to hard to start over again every week. Then I quit. I have moved since then and I am in an entirely different state. I’d be willing to do it again, if I can have Jr. High kids.


65 posted on 06/15/2008 2:28:27 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: Faraday

**The Catechism is first and foremost the result of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger’s (now Pope Benedict XVI) efforts.**

Another reason to love Pope Benedict.


66 posted on 06/15/2008 2:29:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: defconw; glide625; tiki
That is why I quit teaching Religious Ed. I could not get good books or material. It was all this new age, fluffy crap. Plus half the time the parents were not even taking the kid to Mass. Unbelievable.

See my post #61!!

It is no different for me. Parents have honestly said that the reason they enroll their children in religious education is because religion is not discussed in the home. Our program runs only 15 hours throughout the entire year! What can one accomplish in such a short amount of time?! With faith and prayer, God accomplishes much through us. This year, two of our new students - sisters aged 9 and 12 - with NO previous religious education, decided they wanted to be batpized into the Catholic Church. That's right - the parents had never had them baptized. Given their ages, following Baptism in January, they made the Sacrament of Penance in March and First Communion in May. You can make the difference! Our Lord said to "suffer the little children and refuse them not for of such is the Kingdom of God". These innocent hearts crave to learn more about God.

As for the parents, remember this. The children bring the parents. Each Saturday before religious education, I personally call each of the families to remind them. There is no excuse for abandoning God on Sunday - none! Trust me, and you know this only too well, if kids have a football practice or tennis meet on Sunday, that becomes the excuse for why the "children" can't be at church. Not with me! When they pull that one, I ask for the name of the coach and assure them that I will personally call to explain the child's previous commitment to religious education. These are nothing more than excuses from the parents. God comes first!

See my post #61.

67 posted on 06/15/2008 2:46:01 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: tiki
Just yesterday my 14 yr old granddaughter returned from a visit with friends and whatever church they went to told her that she should pray for God’s well-being.

Now that's frightening! This is testimony to the poor catechesis in our country and others, as well. The only way to turn this around, is one child at a time. Good for you to correct what your granddaughter was told.

FWIW, the RC bishop in this diocese has now made religious education - optional - except when the child decides to receive a Sacrament. Mercifully, my bishop is with the Maronite Catholic Church and he fosters and nurtures the growth of religious education in all the parishes within his diocese.

We live in very difficult and extraordinary times. We must make the commitment to continue to pass on the faith, like the Apostles.

68 posted on 06/15/2008 3:01:31 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: tiki; OpusatFR; glide625; defconw
The good thing is that it remains in the deep recesses of their minds and one day the Holy Spirit will bring it to the top.

Absolutely correct! These teachings are each like a seed planted in soil. When the time is right, the Holy Spirit waters the seed and it begins to sprout. We need to accompany all of our work, with prayers for the children, and leave the rest in the hands of God.

69 posted on 06/15/2008 3:07:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: defconw; tiki
I’d be willing to do it again, if I can have Jr. High kids.

You are a truly gifted person! No one wants to teach the Jr. and/or Sr. High School students. Pursue this calling in your new parish; it is a gift from the Holy Spirit.

70 posted on 06/15/2008 3:14:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: markomalley
Can you throw an [ECUMENIC] tag on this thread, please?

Thanks.

I don't believe the Catechism lends itself to an Ecumenical discussion.
71 posted on 06/15/2008 3:19:27 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
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To: NYer
Really? I liked the 7th graders. Sure they were a bit snotty, but I expected that. We got on very well together. What I like about kids that age is that they are no longer babies, but they are not completely jaded yet. They still can be awed.
72 posted on 06/15/2008 3:27:31 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: NYer
Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Lindenhurst (L.I.).


73 posted on 06/15/2008 3:35:22 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: NYer

I pray so. As an adult I love the CCC, it is so awesome to read, but I think for kids, the old St. Joseph. (questions and answers) would work better. Also Fr. Alfred McBride has a College level Catechism that I really liked and used with Jr. High kids.


75 posted on 06/15/2008 3:36:04 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: OLD REGGIE

What are you talking about?


77 posted on 06/15/2008 3:37:17 PM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: NYer

Just so you know, it wasn’t a Catholic Church, she was visiting friends out of town and in her defense, she did sense it was wrong, she just didn’t know what to say. Hence, the lesson which gives her the tools to speak out confidently next time.


79 posted on 06/15/2008 3:50:39 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: OLD REGGIE

“I don’t believe the Catechism lends itself to an Ecumenical discussion.”

Per the Religion Mod:

“Unlike the “caucus” threads, the article and reply posts of an “ecumenic” thread can discuss more than one belief, but antagonism is not tolerable.

More leeway is granted to what is acceptable in the text of the article than to the reply posts.”

It certainly means you can discuss and contribute. It just doesn’t lend itself to snide remarks or repeated attacks that have no bearing on the topic.


80 posted on 06/15/2008 3:51:00 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I'm right. All the time. Ask my groom.)
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