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To: MEGoody
I said: "I take it that you might believe that whatever the "punishment" is it is not to an "immortal" body, is that correct?"

The punishment is eternal (Matt 25:46). I won't waste time arguing whether they have a physical body when that happens or not. I just know the individual is not extinguished from existence.

Hmmm...apparently you don't believe what Jesus said in John 5:28-29. Both the redeemed and unredeemed are "bodily" raised from the dead...the unredeemed to face judgment. Then in Rev. 20:11-15 we read of the "judgment." Those not found written in the "Book of Life" - the unredeemed - are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death. Being thrown into the Lake of Fire is the sentence that the unredeemed face, and that is death! Now, if "death" doesn't means what it means when person dies the first time here on earth, then what do you think it means when spoken of as "the second death?"

Eternal, as I am led to believe you take as "everlasing," would apply to the time period that the "death" of those who are thrown into the lake of fire lasts - a death that lasts the same length of time as those who have "immortal" life. Death is the opposite of Life, anyway you care to put it. This is how it is meant today, and how it is meant in the Scriptures. Death means the extinction of life. Or don't you believe that?

45 posted on 06/06/2008 9:29:02 AM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: Truth Defender
Hmmm...apparently you don't believe what Jesus said in John 5:28-29. Both the redeemed and unredeemed are "bodily" raised from the dead.

:::sigh::: Go back and actually read what I typed. I simply said I wouldn't waste time arguing whether their eternal punishment was with them in bodily form. I didn't say a thing about whether or not the unrepentent were resurrected.

Those not found written in the "Book of Life" - the unredeemed - are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death.

Yes, eternal separation from the love and goodness of God. All they will see of Him for eternity is His wrath. (Death doesn't mean ceasing to exist, even in the physical sense, since as you have already pointed out, there is a resurrection.)

Eternal, as I am led to believe you take as "everlasing," would apply to the time period that the "death" of those who are thrown into the lake of fire lasts.

You can certainly believe that if you wish. I don't. As Revelation 20:10 states "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Clearly, the lake of fire is not a place where individuals cease to exist, or they couldn't be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

52 posted on 06/06/2008 12:46:12 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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