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To: Blowtorch; colorcountry; SENTINEL; P-Marlowe; whipitgood
You shouldn't lump all members together with such generalizations. The majority of time when someone leaves the church, it's not hell fire and brimstone, but rather a reaching out by other members and leaders.

You are correct. I will go so far as to change your statement from "the majority" to "some".

I will ask you though, in your opinion, why you think the church leaders feel it necessary to provide this lesson to the PH and RS members at this time? Do you see something in that lesson that is a suggestion for reaching out?

Monson, in his conference talk, made this statement: Over the years we have issued appeals to the less active, the offended, the critical, the transgressor—to come back. “Come back and feast at the table of the Lord, and taste again the sweet and satisfying fruits of fellowship with the Saints.”2

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This was a litany of attributed motives to the many who have left the church, a reminder that there is no honest reason, such as false teachings that would lead to apostasy. This suggests that leaving is due to character failure. And I see nothing in this posted lesson that disputes that suggestion.

"Those who apostatize lose the Spirit of God.

I don't see how it could be made much plainer than this.

16 posted on 06/04/2008 8:44:31 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: greyfoxx39
How about this quote from the LDS Lesson Book “Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy”

“Strange as it may appear at first thought, yet it is no less strange than true, that notwithstanding all the professed determination to live godly, apostates after turning from the faith of Christ, unless they have speedily repented, have sooner or later fallen into the snares of the wicked one, and have been left destitute of the Spirit of God, to manifest their wickedness in the eyes of multitudes.

20 posted on 06/04/2008 9:02:23 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I will ask you though, in your opinion, why you think the church leaders feel it necessary to provide this lesson to the PH and RS members at this time? Do you see something in that lesson that is a suggestion for reaching out?

Not a suggestion, rather a motivation for reaching out. Reaching out to inactives is work and therefore must done out of a general concern for the persons soul, which belies that there must be something "wrong." So when you describe it as "a reminder that there is no honest reason such as false teaching," I agree.

Those who apostatize lose the Spirit of God.

Okay, but I don't equate inactivity with apostasy nor loss of the spirit of god with damnation (if that were so we'd all be damned).
BTW I would consider myself mostly a social mormon although that label stipulates certain views to which I don't necessarily subscribe.
21 posted on 06/04/2008 9:03:05 AM PDT by Blowtorch
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