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To: MEGoody

I did state that Catholic catechesis needs to be improved, which is a “we problem”.

And lets be honest, when it comes down to it, the Catholic Church is not about “what I want”, or how I feel. Catholic worship, to use the Eastern Orthodox terminology of “Divine Liturgy’, is something that we receive, we do not create it on our own. Thus, if one reads the Liturgy as recorded by St. Justin Martyr in 155 AD, one sees a clearly Liturgical worship. The Creeds are part of the Liturgy on Sunday. Again, it is a faith that is received, not one that is created to fit my personal tastes.

Many Catholics have been impacted by two forces, secularism, which elevates the individual, and Protestantism that in many ways is also “radically individualistic”, so that one then chooses a religion based on preaching style, music style, what doctrines are stressed, which ones are not, etc, and then finds the church that suits “me”.

To be blunt, this is a form of “idolatry” and nothing more than “worshipping the mirror”, i.e. ones own ideas, etc.

Catholicism is rooted in the Apostolic Tradition, as attested to in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as recorded in early Liturgy, the Church Fathers, and the teachings and Creeds from the early Councils (Nicea 325 AD, Constantinopile 381 AD, Ephesus 431 AD, and Chalcedon 451 AD).

The Catholic faith that is, is the faith that was, and is the faith that will be as the Creeds bind us to orthodoxy whereas Protestantism, and there are some faithful orthodox Christians in the Protestant Churches, don’t have the authority to deal with the challenges as each group can use the “Bible alone” to justify what “they believe” is what the Holy Spirit is telling them.

Now, with respect to the Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses, I will never pass judgment on anyone in terms of ones eternal destiny, but from the Catholic Church’ view, both of those groups are not within orthodox Christianity in terms of Trinitarian and Christological doctrines. Thus, if Catholics leave for those groups, one has to question whether they have put there salvation in jeopardy. The Historic Protestant Churches (Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Presbyterians), at least the Traditional expressions of those Churchs, still hold to orthodox doctrines with respect to the Holy Trinity and Christ and thus while it would be leaving the fullness of the Catholic Church, it would not be a rejection of orthodox Christianity, per se.

Regards


35 posted on 05/29/2008 12:39:22 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
Catholicism is rooted in the Apostolic Tradition, as attested to in Sacred Scripture

That can certainly be debated.

. . .and Sacred Tradition

Which is easy since the Catholics developed it.

42 posted on 05/29/2008 1:23:28 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: CTrent1564
Catholicism is rooted in the Apostolic Tradition, as attested to in Sacred Scripture

I'm sure you know that many do not agree with that assessment.

. . .and Sacred Tradition

Which is easy since the Catholics developed it.

The Catholic faith that is, is the faith that was, and is the faith that will be

Hmmm. . .I guess it depends on what you mean by that. I know that the Catholic church has changed it's position on some things, like whether priests can marry, whether Mary was eternally a virgin and was assumed into heaven rather than dying a human death, whether the apocrypha was divinely inspired. Maybe you aren't counting those things as part of what you mean by 'faith'.

43 posted on 05/29/2008 1:28:22 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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