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John Hagee denies Jesus claimed to be the Messiah
Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry ^ | Nov. 24, 2007 | Matt Slick

Posted on 05/29/2008 8:08:29 AM PDT by Ottofire

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To: Ottofire

Hagee is too caught up in Christian Zionism


21 posted on 05/29/2008 8:57:07 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Buggman

Point well taken, and I apologize—I tried to do that by saying “Jews of Jerusalem” in my last sentence, but I didn’t differentiate well enough. And not even all of the Sanhedrin wanted Jesus killed. But this particular program didn’t mention that connection to the Crucifixion at all. It was all “the Romans.” And that’s inaccurate—it was the Sadduccees using the Romans to accomplish their desired end.

}:-)4


22 posted on 05/29/2008 8:59:44 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: Moose4
*** Interestingly, I was flipping channels yesterday morning at home and watched a few minutes of a History Channel show on crucifixion (Why they put this on at 9 in the morning, I have no idea.)... Not one mention of the Sanhedrin’s part in what happened, not one mention of Caiphas, not one mention of the Jewish crowd demanding His death.***

The History Channel reruns its programs. I watched the same program last Sunday Night - 7:00 pm CDT. (Maybe it was Saturday night?) And you're right about the omission of the Jews. I wondered too and at first I thought it was p.c. rearing its ugly head.

Then I figured that since the program was about the Roman practice of Crucifixion itself, including the Jewish part might have just muddied the waters and gotten into religion which the show was not about.

Anyway that was my conclusion.


That being said, the History Channel DOES go p.c. especially on WWII and the 'Russian Front'. 'Soviet Union', Red Army', 'Communists', etc is never uttered. Its always 'Russians' and 'Russia'. They do the same thing when they show those film clips of the SA Stormtroopers in those street brawls that the SA are fighting against Communists. For some reason the History Channel is Communist friendly.

23 posted on 05/29/2008 9:01:45 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Ottofire

Isn’t this the same guy that has people try to vomit their demons out into a bag?


24 posted on 05/29/2008 9:13:54 AM PDT by dante1187
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To: XeniaSt; Buggman

Christ currently reigns as both king and high priest. His kingdom has been established and is made up of His body, the church.


25 posted on 05/29/2008 9:24:29 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: Condor51

I’ve noticed that about History as well. They use the term “Russian” when “Soviet” is much more accurate...mainly because millions of the troops in the Red Army weren’t Russian at all. They were Ukranian, or Kazakh, or Georgian, or Azerbaijani, etc. “Russian” is not an exact replacement for “Soviet”, Russia was only part of the Soviet Union.

}:-)4


26 posted on 05/29/2008 9:28:15 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: Ottofire

I’ll start giving a rat’s a$$ about John Hagee, in the context of the 2008 race, once it’s shown that he’s

- been McCain’s pastor for 22 years
- officiated at McCain’s wedding
- baptized McCain’s children
- preached regularly to McCain’s infant/ toddler children
- received tens of thousands of dollars from the McCains

Until then, who cares? He does seem odd, though, yes.


27 posted on 05/29/2008 9:29:23 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: jkl1122; XeniaSt

Do you believe in the Second Coming?


28 posted on 05/29/2008 9:32:09 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

No, there is another of the tele-preachers, I hink he is affiliated with Trinity-Broadcasting: Old Guy with a wife, whose look: clown-like make-up and cotton-candy hair-tinged pink, grotesque beyond belief. That is the face of Christianity - scary, scary, scary. Compare that with the Jesuit priests preaching and living amongest the poor in the third world countries - pictures and words speak volumes, versus these slick, materialistic preachers./Just Asking - seoul62.......


29 posted on 05/29/2008 9:49:01 AM PDT by seoul62 (T)
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To: seoul62

I think finding a tele-preacher who is an exception to the rule of false teachers would be difficult.


30 posted on 05/29/2008 10:05:35 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: seoul62

And more importantly - these tele-preachers ARE NOT the face of Christianity. Such is not visible, as the head (with face) of the church is the Lord Jesus, and we know not what He looks like.

His characteristics, however, are known: humility and obedience to His Father.


31 posted on 05/29/2008 10:07:42 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Buggman; XeniaSt

Absolutely. It is a certainty, and when He comes back, He will take the faithful members of His body home with Him to heaven.


32 posted on 05/29/2008 10:12:27 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
But do you agree with me that the Jesuits, living and spreading the Gospel in Third World Countries are the complete antithesis to these phony televangelists?/Just Asking - seoul62......
33 posted on 05/29/2008 10:15:02 AM PDT by seoul62 (T)
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To: seoul62

I do not know what Gospel these Jesuits are spreading. If it’s the RCC gospel, no - I do not agree that they are authentic. If they are proclaiming the Biblical gospel (1 Cor 15), then I agree that what they do is the work of an evangelist and of very high value in God’s kingdom.


34 posted on 05/29/2008 10:18:43 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Buggman
I like John Hagee. But then, I'm ger tzedek.

Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance

35 posted on 05/29/2008 10:24:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Hagee wins no laurels. Bowler Hat
36 posted on 05/29/2008 10:27:35 AM PDT by Charles Bronson Forever
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Manfred, I am a Catholic and I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and no one is going to tell me otherwise. You sound like my Father, may he rest in peace a Methodist who did not have kind words for the Catholic Church. He even stated that the Priests were mostly drunk and homosexual but he did have a happy and loving marriage with my Mother, a Catholic./Just Asking - seoul62........


37 posted on 05/29/2008 10:29:29 AM PDT by seoul62 (T)
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To: seoul62

Unfortunately you will come across a few die-hard anti-Catholic bigots on threads here. Best to just be thankful you found the fullness of faith and pray that others do too. As Saint Pio said, “Pray, hope and don’t worry.”

As for Hagee.... just another personal interpretation of Holy Scripture. Worse than some, not as bad as some others I’ve seen. But all lacking in the fullness of Truth contained in the Catholic Church. That is my humble belief.


38 posted on 05/29/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: seoul62

I do not hate RCs, nor am I of the opinion that there are no Christians in the RCC; merely that the RCC is long departed from the narrow way prescribed by Jesus. I don’t base my views on what people do (the so-called priests, for example), but on what the doctrines of the RCC are and how they compare to Scripture.

I pray you are truly in Christ and not merely in the doctrine of your church.


39 posted on 05/29/2008 11:03:12 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: jkl1122; XeniaSt
Absolutely. It is a certainty, and when He comes back, He will take the faithful members of His body home with Him to heaven.

Check your Bible again. Yes, there will be a Rapture, but that's just to Resurrect the dead and get us out of the way of the Day of the Lord. Afterwards, He will return with us in tow and rule over the earth from Jerusalem, directly and bodily.

Shalom!

40 posted on 05/29/2008 11:09:17 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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