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To: XeniaSt

***The Eucharist is some Pagan Fable created following Constantine the first Pontiff of the Roman church created sunday worship and the Pagan feast of easter***

Here is a list of the Popes of the first 500 years. You will notice that Constantine was not on that list. He was the EMPEROR (from A.D. 305 to 337), not the Pope. There is a difference!

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) Also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66)
St. Damasus I (366-83)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
St. Innocent I (401-17)
St. Zosimus (417-18)
St. Boniface I (418-22)
St. Celestine I (422-32)
St. Sixtus III (432-40)
St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
St. Hilarius (461-68)
St. Simplicius (468-83)
St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
St. Gelasius I (492-96)
Anastasius II (496-98)
St. Symmachus (498-514)


926 posted on 05/30/2008 3:00:44 PM PDT by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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To: nanetteclaret
Here is a list of the Popes of the first 500 years.

St. Peter (32-67)

If Peter went to Rome for the gentiles, he disobeyed Yah'shua.

Peter went to Babylon as he states in his writings.

Peter and all apostles were to only go to the circumcised i.e. Jews.

Only Paul was commanded to be the apostle to the gentiles.

b'SHEM Yah'shua
928 posted on 05/30/2008 3:28:01 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: nanetteclaret
There is a difference!

Would you PLEASE stop confusing the situation with facts????

1,018 posted on 05/31/2008 4:40:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: nanetteclaret; XeniaSt
Here is a list of the Popes of the first 500 years. You will notice that Constantine was not on that list. He was the EMPEROR (from A.D. 305 to 337), not the Pope. There is a difference!

Posting the "List Of Popes" is always problematic in that the "list" for hundreds of years is based on legend, tradition, supposition, and assorted "unknowns".

I am certain XeniaSt is well aware Constantine does not appear in the List Of Popes. That he was the defacto head of the "Christian" church is a matter of record. He controlled it's destiny and exercised total power over this church. Perhaps we should rightly call him the Popes Pope.

It would be a worthwhile exercise for you to study the List Of Popes and determine for yourself if you are still confident of it's authenticity.

A few exerpts from the CE and the Oxford Dictionary Of Popes might prove interesting.

The Catholic Encyclopedia:

POPE ST. PETER
Although the fact of St. Peter's activity and death in Rome is so clearly established, we possess no precise information regarding the details of his Roman sojourn. The narratives contained in the apocryphal literature of the second century concerning the supposed strife between Peter and Simon Magus belong to the domain of legend . From the already mentioned statements regarding the origin of the Gospel of St. Mark we may conclude that Peter laboured for a long period in Rome . This conclusion is confirmed by the unanimous voice of tradition which, as early as the second half of the second century, designates the Prince of the Apostles the founder of the Roman Church.

Pope St. Linus
(Reigned about A.D. 64 or 67 to 76 or 79).

Pope St. Anacletus
The second successor of St. Peter . Whether he was the same as Cletus , who is also called Anencletus as well as Anacletus, has been the subject of endless discussion. Irenaeus , Eusebius , Augustine, Optatus, use both names indifferently as of one person . Tertullian omits him altogether. To add to the confusion, the order is different.

Pope St. Clement I
Pope Clement I (called CLEMENS ROMANUS to distinguish him from the Alexandrian , is the first of the successors of St. Peter of whom anything definite is known, and he is the first of the "Apostolic Fathers". His feast is celebrated 23 November. He has left one genuine writing, a letter to the Church of Corinth , and many others have been attributed to him.
According to Tertullian , writing c. 199, the Roman Church claimed that Clement was ordained by St. Peter (De Praescript., xxxii), and St. Jerome tells us that in his time "most of the Latins" held that Clement was the immediate successor of the Apostle (De viris illustr., xv). St. Jerome himself in several other places follows this opinion, but here he correctly states that Clement was the fourth pope. The early evidence shows great variety.


Facts: Very little.
Legend, Tradition, Assumption: Yes.

POPE ST. SYLVESTER
Date of birth unknown; d. 31 December, 335. According to the "Liber pontificalis" (ed. Duchesne, I, 170) he was the son of a Roman named Rufinus; the legendary "Vita beati Sylvestri" calls his mother Justa. After the death of Miltiades (Melchiades), Sylvester was made Bishop of Rome and occupied this position twenty-one years. This was the era of Constantine the Great , when the public position of the Church so greatly improved, a change which must certainly have been very noticeable at Rome ; it is consequently to be regretted that there is so little authoritative information concerning Sylvester's pontificate. At an early date legend brings him into close relationship wtih the first Christian emperor, but in a way that is contrary to historical fact.


A nonentity. What else is there to be said?

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Excerpts from the Oxford Dictionary Of Popes. (They end in mid sentence because the snippets are enticements to learn more for $'s. They do convey the message however.)

Peter, St, Apostle From: The Oxford Dictionary of Popes Author: J. N. D. KELLY | Copyright information © The Oxford Dictionary of Popes 1996, originally published by Oxford University Press 1996.

Peter, St, Apostle (d. c. 64). The papacy, through successive popes and councils, has always traced its origins and title-deeds to the unique commission reported to have been given by Jesus Christ to Peter, the chief of his Apostles, later to be martyred when organizing the earliest group of Christians at Rome. Information about Peter's career, personality, and standing in the primitive Christian community is provided by the NT, supplemented by ancient, reliable tradition. The NT accounts come from a variety of sources, originating at widely differing dates and coloured by the often divergent viewpoints of their authors, but the picture of the Apostle which emerges from them is ...

Linus, St From: The Oxford Dictionary of Popes Author: J. N. D. KELLY | Copyright information © The Oxford Dictionary of Popes 1996, originally published by Oxford University Press 1996.

Linus, St ( c. 66– c. 78). According to the earliest succession lists of bishops of Rome, passed down by Irenaeus of Lyons ( c. 180) and Hegesippus ( c. 160) and attested by the historian Eusebius ( c. 260– c. 340), he was entrusted with his office by the Apostles Peter and Paul after they had established the Christian church in Rome. By this primitive reckoning he was therefore the first pope, but from the late 2nd or early 3rd cent. the convention began of regarding St Peter as first bishop. What Linus's actual functions and responsibilities were can only be guessed, for the monarchical, or one-man, episcopate had not yet emerged in Rome. Irenaeus and Eusebius ...

Anacletus, St From: The Oxford Dictionary of Popes Author: J. N. D. KELLY | Copyright information © The Oxford Dictionary of Popes 1996, originally published by Oxford University Press 1996.

Anacletus, St ( c. 79– c. 91). In the earliest succession lists of bishops of Rome he follows Linus , second in the line inaugurated by the Apostles Peter and Paul. Later convention reckons him the third pope from St Peter. His actual functions and responsibilities can only be surmised, for the monarchical, or one-man, episcopate had not yet emerged in Rome. His name, correctly given as Anencletus, is a Greek adjective meaning ‘blameless’; the fact that St Paul required a bishop to be ‘blameless’ (Tit. 1: 7) has needlessly caused some to doubt his existence. The term was a not uncommon name for a slave, and this may give a clue to his social ...

POPE CLEMENT I ( c. 91– c. 101). In the 2nd-cent. succession lists of bishops of Rome he follows Anacletus , being therefore third in the line inaugurated by the Apostles Peter and Paul; later convention reckoned him fourth pope in the line beginning with St Peter. Another tradition, attested by Tertullian ( c. 160– c. 225) and Jerome (331–420), regarded him as having been consecrated by St Peter and as his immediate successor. Irenaeus ( c. 180) states that, having seen and conversed with the Apostles Clement was a repository of their teaching and tradition. Writers of the 3rd and 4th cents., like Origen, Eusebius, and Jerome, equate him, perhaps correctly, with ...

Oxford Dictionary Of Popes

1,161 posted on 05/31/2008 10:38:03 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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