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To: OpusatFR

Pride has nothing to do with this. I fear many Catholics will not be in heaven because they are putting their faith in the fact that they were “baptized into Christ.” Baptism has nothing to do with true salvation. The Eucharist has nothing to do with true salvation. You do not know my heart Opus. You really don’t.


689 posted on 05/30/2008 9:18:59 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary
I fear many Catholics will not be in heaven because they are putting their faith in the fact that they were “baptized into Christ.” Baptism has nothing to do with true salvation.

Baptism has everything to do with salvation, because without it, you can't be saved. Period.

That said, there are many Catholics who believe that's all they need. I fear, along with you, for those souls who do not follow the teachings of the Magisterium.

706 posted on 05/30/2008 9:54:51 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Marysecretary
(1) Baptism has nothing to do with true salvation.

I, and I think others, understand that this is what you believe.

(2) The Eucharist has nothing to do with true salvation.

And we understand that you believe this as well.

(3) AND I would think that many Catholics share your concern for those who treat Baptism and the other Sacraments like Magic Fire Insurance, and who think God can be "gamed".

The mere repetition of (1) and (2) is not going to change our minds. Further, disagreeing with your stand does not mean that we think that Baptism and Eucharist have EVERYTHING to do with salvation. It seems to me a brief and careless look at any of our stories of saints indicate that they ALL had a personal commitment to Christ. Having such a commitment is important to us, AND we realize that it is a gift. But Baptism and the Eucharist, we think, still have SOMETHING to do with salvation.

I am confident that there are at least a few Protestants who misunderstand the teaching of their denomination or of Protestantism generally. I remember a poll in Time or Newsweek in the '70s which stated that a majority of Lutherans polled disagreed with Luther about works and justification -- though they didn't know they were disagreeing with him.

Here on FR we have people repeatedly saying we believe what we do not believe, insisting that the belief agaisnt which they rail is a Catholic belief. And when we say that this or that is NOT what the Church teaches we are told what amounts to "I know what your Church teaches better than you do," AND what amounts to "The misunderstandings the some Catholics have of their Church's teaching is the fault of their Church and of its teachings, while (it is more implied than stated) the misunderstandings some Protestants have are certainly not the fault of Protestant Churches or Protestant dogma.

And, more than once it has come down to, "You are wrong, and we know better than you because WE have the spirit and you don't (or you'd agree with us)."

I don't know if that's pride, but when one side says, "DOES!" and the other side says "Does NOT!" things tend to go downhill rapidly.

746 posted on 05/30/2008 10:42:28 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Marysecretary

“You do not know my heart Opus. You really don’t.”

And you cannot know my or anyone else’s relationship with God. To think you do, makes you god.

The angels would tremble at that.


772 posted on 05/30/2008 11:00:21 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Will hijack threads for cheese - brie or better. No Borden's please.)
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