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To: Mad Dawg

Every Greek scholar that does not agree with the Vatican must be lacking in their abilities. /s


389 posted on 05/27/2008 5:19:08 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
Now THAT definitely is bogus! My argument is ignored, and some proposition I am not making is bitterly substituted for a response to the argument I did make.

The guy makes an argument. It may have escaped your attention but there are a few Greek Scholars who would not consider that argument conclusive. Yet I do not say that your side is saying, "Every Greek scholar who agrees with the Vatican is lacking in his abilities."

I addressed his argument. I have read a book, in fact, two or three books. I have managed to pick up a few things about syntax and figures and the task of communication in general along the way. In my opinion, since there is a perfectly reasonable grammatical justification for the neuter demonstrative pronoun, and the guy doesn't even mention the handy neuter noun right there a couple of words away in the predicate but says it MUST refer to some word not there, I think he may have an agenda.

That opinion is strengthened by the lame "is changed into" argument. Since no one is suggesting that he was offering "is changed into" as a meaning.

Then in his list he includes I Cor 11:25 as an example of esti meaning "represents". This once again begs the question. Esti is perfectly capable of serving as a copular verb. It's only is you have other reasons to suspect "Represents" that that would be a legitimate translation.

And I say again, our Lord was perfectly capable of saying "is like." Its NOT like the language of His translators doomed Him to an ambiguity in the use of the copular.

Further, your excerpt does not address the hypothetical underlying Aramaic (or whatever), but parses (for me, 'parsing' is a good thing) the Greek as though it gave the ipsissima verba - which could be but is by no means certain.

I think his gazing down into the depths (which cannot be all that great, the body of surviving first century Semitic Koine literature not being huge -- certainly not large enough to provide apodictic certainty for either view) led to the result one usually gets when one gazes into a well: He found his own face looking back at him -- and fell in love.

390 posted on 05/27/2008 5:50:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Every Greek scholar that does not agree with the Vatican must be lacking in their abilities. /s

Alternative replies, in the spirit of your response:

— Nope. just this one.

— What we are dissed for maintaining the infallibility of Popes and Councils and dissed again for doubting the infallibility of THIS man?

Anyway, thanks for getting my dander up. I have to go do a security job and I think I'm a better guard dawg when I'm irritated.

391 posted on 05/27/2008 5:59:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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