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To: big'ol_freeper; HossB86
You said: How about showing me in scripture where God says that anyone other than he himself DOES hear prayer?

Rev 5:7 He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne.

5:8 When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.

The elders in heaven having "heard" the petitions present them to God

Tobit 12:12 12 I can now tell you that when you, Tobit, and Sarah prayed, it was I who presented and read the record of your prayer before the Glory of the Lord; and I did the same thing when you used to bury the dead.

The Angel Rapheal recorded then gave the Petitions to God.

290 posted on 05/26/2008 12:23:34 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga

You have done well.


297 posted on 05/26/2008 12:30:43 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: verga

Where in Rev. 5 does it say that the Elders presented those prayers of the Saints to The Lord? All I read is what they represent.

As for Tobit, I’ll have to leave the apocrypha to you as I don’t see it as canon. But, that’s the way I see it and I understand you may not.

I don’t see that as a satisfactory reference. But, we’ll have to agree to disagree. But I will provide one of several passages that I believe does speak to the issue:

1 Timothy 2:5 says “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”

Christ’s work saves us. One mediator. Nothing is shared with Mary, or the saints. While glorified in Heaven, I doubt Mary or the saints are omniscient; if she were, she would be on par with God. I KNOW that is not true. So, I doubt she can hear the prayers of thousands or millions. No one but the one true, living God — in three persons — omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent can do that.

I’ve enjoyed the discussion!

Hoss


324 posted on 05/26/2008 1:06:11 PM PDT by HossB86
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