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To: NYer
I am a Christian, and a believer, and I have no problem with the idea of the idea of the "real presence", but in the consubstantiation or "in, under and with" the presence of the bread and wine. But this "miracle" I find ridiculous.

Are we to believe that this priest in the 8th century didn't just create this himself to bring notoriety to his little parish? What real objective testing by outside scientists has been done on it except by the Church? I don't buy this, not for one minute.

122 posted on 05/26/2008 8:23:19 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Boagenes

Scientific proof of what?


128 posted on 05/26/2008 8:37:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Boagenes
What real objective testing by outside scientists has been done on it except by the Church? I don't buy this, not for one minute.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:


 

Close-up of Flesh sample with fibers collected in bundles Fig. 1 - Eosine x 200. Overall histological aspect of a Flesh sample with fibers collected in bundles with longitudinal orientation as it occurs in the outer surface layers of the heart.
Close-up of an artery and vagal nerve Fig. 2 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 250. An artery and, very close, a branch of the vagal nerve.
Close-up of myocardial tissue Fig. 3 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 400. Evidence of the "Rough" aspect of the endocardium; the syncytoid structure of the myocardial tissue
Test results reveal blood type belongs to the AB group Fig. 4 - Elution-absorption test x 80. Above: Hemagglutination test on blood sample in Lanciano: on the left, anti A serum used; on the right, anti-B serum. Below: hemoagglutination test on a Flesh sample in Lanciano: left, with anti-A serum, right,with anti-B serum. It appears thus that the Flesh and the Blood in Lanciano belong to AB blood group.
Test results correlate to those of a normal blood sample Fig. 5 - Electro-phoretic pattern of Blood proteins (Cromoscan photometer). The profile of serum fractions is normal and superimposable to that of a fresh serum sample.

In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.


Miracle of Lanciano

317 posted on 05/26/2008 12:52:35 PM PDT by NYer (John 6:51-58)
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To: Boagenes

Actually, it was tested, and the flesh of the host was determined to be a slice of a living man’s heart- a slice so thin that the surgical tools of the time could not have produced it.

The globules of blood were weighed, and found to weigh the same independently as they weighed collectively.

The blood type, I believe, was AB positive.

University of Siena professors Linoli and Bertoli tested the Eucharist between 11/1970 AND 3/71.

In 1973, a UNESCO Medical Commision corroborated their findings with 500 tests lasting about 15 months.


375 posted on 05/26/2008 6:33:22 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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