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Transubstantiation—Hard to Believe? Transubstantiation—Hard to Believe? [Open]
Catholic Exchange ^ | May 26, 2008 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/26/2008 4:50:16 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Petronski
The Last Supper.

You mean the Catholic Aristotelian version thereof.

181 posted on 05/26/2008 9:12:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Petronski

No..it was God under the appearance of a burning bush.

Gotta love those who try to make finite by putting restrictions on what He can or can’t do.


182 posted on 05/26/2008 9:13:26 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: XeniaSt; Religion Moderator
Was that insult directed at all who believe in the rapture ?

On Open threads, the thin-skinned are the disruptors.

Or do you need professional help?

Please do not make this personal.

183 posted on 05/26/2008 9:14:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Always Right

You wrote:

“Isn’t that a prayer to Mary? Or is that something different?”

Asking is praying in that that’s what the word literally means.


184 posted on 05/26/2008 9:14:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: cammie
I hereby move that this question be deemed the Religion thread version of “Whoever brings up Hitler first loses the argument.” Anyone want to second my motion?

Only if you add references to snake-handling to it.

185 posted on 05/26/2008 9:15:37 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

I did not.


186 posted on 05/26/2008 9:15:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: HossB86

You wrote:

“Funny... I pray that Christ will intercede for me since he said, “no one comes to the Father but by me.””

I do too, but I also recognize that Christ shares the office of intercessor with His saints.

“Odd — nothing in there about Mary. The “Saints” — the rosary.”

That wasn’t the point so it need not have been said.


187 posted on 05/26/2008 9:16:15 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Always Right

The thread was already lost when the Catholics were asked if Christ was made of crackers.


188 posted on 05/26/2008 9:16:39 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
I did not.

See #146. I think you did, whether intentional or not.

189 posted on 05/26/2008 9:16:57 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

I know you’re referring to 146, nonetheless, I did not say all Catholic teachings are found in the Bible.


190 posted on 05/26/2008 9:18:21 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

LOL, well I was gonna list that reference too, but I thought I would let a Catholic bring that one up.


191 posted on 05/26/2008 9:19:24 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Petronski

You wrote:

“The thread was already lost when the Catholics were asked if Christ was made of crackers.”

Yeah, I have to admit that such a blatant attack on Christ and Christian beliefs took me by surprise - and I thought I had seen everything.


192 posted on 05/26/2008 9:19:57 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Petronski

Yes, but I was talking about all and essential Cathlolic doctrine, so your answer did implied such.


193 posted on 05/26/2008 9:21:51 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

Would someone with my tagline claim that all Catholic doctrine is in the Bible?


194 posted on 05/26/2008 9:24:36 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Always Right; Petronski

You said: You are the one who just said all Catholic Teachings are in the Bible.

First of all I reject the protestant man-made tradition of sola scriptura. As John stated at the end of his gospel there was much much more than was written down. Without Sacred Tradition you have chaos (or ever doctrinally meandering protestantism) because you lack the completeness of Divine Revelation. Without Sacred Tradition you end up with all sorts of wild interpretations of Holy Scripture....some are quite silly and entertaining actually.


195 posted on 05/26/2008 9:25:29 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: figgers3036

The Puritans in England and New England most certainly did hold Catholics as second class citizens; ever hear of the “Catholic Emancipation Act” of the 19th century? Boston banning Christmas as ‘popish’ And consider the similarities, of an unyielding God (pre-destination), no separation of church and state (be it Geneva, or Boston), iconclasism, violent imposition of their religion. Unitarianism is common to both Islam and a branch of Congregationalism.

It’s not my idea that Islam is a heretical off-shoot of Christianity, it’s belloc’s.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT


196 posted on 05/26/2008 9:27:50 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: big'ol_freeper
Without Sacred Tradition you end up with all sorts of wild interpretations of Holy Scripture....some are quite silly and entertaining actually.

And Protestants would say the same about some Catholic beliefs.

197 posted on 05/26/2008 9:30:03 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Iscool
After all, all non Catholic history writers are dishonest, imbeciles, crooks, murderers, red headed step children and even worse, Protestant...

You're making quite a jump there. There are plenty of diligent, fair-minded Protestants in every field. In fact, the textbook we used when I took Introduction to Rabbinic Literature was written by a Protestant scholar -- the rabbi who taught the course said it was the best introductory book in the field.

198 posted on 05/26/2008 9:35:49 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Always Right

You said: And Protestants would say the same about some Catholic beliefs.

Yes they would...and do. But they are wrong and we are right, but not because of our own merits, but those of Jesus Christ who stated to the Apostles: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

(PS..note He did not say to teach them to observe all things the Holy Spirit will cause to be written down in Holy Scripture...but what I have commanded you...just before He guarantees His protection to His fledgling Church. Just more proof that to follow sola scriptura is evidence of being on the wrong track.)


199 posted on 05/26/2008 9:36:17 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: Petronski

I think your reply about sola scriptura sums up all of the argument on this thread. Sola scriptura is a non-scriptural error. Catholic tradition is non-scriptural truth.


200 posted on 05/26/2008 9:38:23 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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