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To: blue-duncan
In all seriosity: 2 things: First, do you think the entire Jerusalem Church was gathered into the Marriot or whatever for the Jerusalem council? What is the meaning, on the ground, of "with the apostles and elders"? Despite light hearted rhetoric I don't have an expected answer here. But I wonder if the mommies and the babies and so and so who had a pottery contract to deliver yesterday showed up or even participated.

But the bigger point is the distinction between "professionals" and the "rest of us".

I think that Protestants generally underestimate the influence of lay-people in the Catholic Church throughout the ages. Yeah as time went by the were sort of kind of incorporated, so that, say Catherine of Siena was a thrid order or Lay Dominican. But we're (or those of us who care to be) are in the loop, if not at the top of the putative pyramid.

My longer response, which may never see the light of day, to your first post was going to address that, sort of global or attitudinal question. I'm also thinking of Ambrose's election to bishop by acclamation of das volk and, yes, of gthe Jerusakem council where I could readily see the people being polled for their opinion.

And the peristent (It seems to me) opinion of Protestants is that a bunch of guys in dresses hang around and dream stuff up to inflict on the poor innocouous lay Catholic, but I think that ignores the realities of running any eleemosynary institution or indeed of most institutions. On paper the Sheriff can do what he wants as far as who his deputies are and what they do, but if he decides (reasonably IMHO) that they ought to be in good shape and he meets with almos tuniversal resistance, that decision will find itself functionally if not officially rescinded. And the wise pastor takes the temperature of his sheep before inflicting some new change on them. There ARE a lot of unwise pastors, both real and metaphorical, but the unwise ones don't last.

I'm going to sit back and watch the "denomination" question, but I don't think it's worth a big controversy and in fact it's kind of like what we papists mean by "rite", as in "Eastern Rite"

1,122 posted on 05/28/2008 12:56:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

“In all seriosity”

I’m wondering if you have any advice on how to stretch my little finger to the 6th fret of the 6th string while my index finger is on the 1st of the 6th string. Take into consideration that I have normal size hands.


1,123 posted on 05/28/2008 1:46:09 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Mad Dawg; blue-duncan
There ARE a lot of unwise pastors, both real and metaphorical, but the unwise ones don't last.

Does that explain why so many Popes were murdered?
1,130 posted on 05/28/2008 2:32:55 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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