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To: DaveMSmith

Only God knows who will be saved or not. That is not for you to decide. One of the many things that Jesus was clear about was/is his disdain for the pharisees. They thought they were religiosly superior because they felt they practiced the letter of the law, and forgot about the spirit of the law, which is brotherly love. I think it is important that we be humble, especially in God’s eyes. Those that pretend to be God are likely to be the ones in trouble.


342 posted on 05/24/2008 11:37:08 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

Sorry DaveSmith, that previous post was directed at another poster. By the way I have a theory that it is humility that inclines us as Catholics to ask that the Blessed Mother and the Saints in Heaven pray for us. We know that God is perfect and we are not. Jesus is our salvation, but the world always leads us away. We need all the help we can get. My personal experience is that the Blessed Mother, the angels, and saints, in heaven really do help bring us back to Jesus.


343 posted on 05/24/2008 11:44:01 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist
Only God knows who will be saved or not. That is not for you to decide

Have you read Paul's epistles? He had plenty to say who was and who wasn't saved.

My opinions are based on the clear teachings of the Lord:

Matt 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" 17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, "'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 19 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' " 20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?" 21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Perfection meaning 'wanting nothing necessary to completeness" or "complete in God". Enlightenment. Sharing the same consciousness as Jesus.

MacArthur is a hateful little man like so many he quoted in the speech for this thread. His murderous hatred has poisoned how he and his heros interpret scripture. To quote Swedenborg:

“Suppose your assumptions about life are based on truth, such as that love to the Lord and charity towards the neighbour are that on which the whole law hangs and about which all the prophets speak, and so are the essentials of all doctrine and worship. With that assumption the mind [is] enlightened by countless things in the Word which would otherwise lie hidden within the obscurity of a false assumption. Indeed if truth were the basic assumption, heresies would be dispelled and one Church would result from many, no matter how differing the doctrinal teachings and also religious practices might be flowing from that Church or leading into it.

I can see this in my spiritual experiences. The details of doctrine are transcended and I can see the shared experience of God in a variety of religions. Religion provides symbols to make sense of and set boundaries for spiritual life.

Catholic doctrine, if practiced, provides everything necessary for salvation. MacArthur preaches heresy. I'm also hearing it echoed here. These are my opinions. I'm not playing God - don't be ridiculous.

344 posted on 05/24/2008 12:34:15 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (You cannot have faith in the Lord unless you are in charity.)
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