[roamer_1]

Using this conciliar doctrine as guide, we see that the Church is (in its way) as indispensable as Christ for man's salvation.

On both counts, however, whoever is saved owes his salvation to the one Catholic Church founded by Christ.

Please allow me a moment to ponder the notion of waxing apoplectic... These two statements are the most blasphemous rot I have ever seen put forth by any church of any kind.

Nothing, and no one is 'as indispensable' as Christ in the salvation of men. The only credit the church can take is that of a facilitator, and that, only in humble service to our Lord. All glory, and all credit goes to Him.

'Whoever is saved' owes his salvation to Christ, and only to Christ.

[annalex]

I think, when St. Peter responded to the question of what to do to be saved with “Repent and be baptized all of you”, a lot of people felt apoplectic.

Were St. Peter an Evangelical Protestant, his response would have been “accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior”... right?

[Alas Babylon!]

I would say, as a Catholic, that even I have trouble believing the Church saved me. It didn't; Jesus did.

Once saved, I became part of the Church. I obey her teachings, as I know they come through Jesus. I would definitely struggle, however, through any teaching, doctrine or dogma that was opposed to what Jesus instructed.

Suppose one says that they were saved in Jesus, but the vehicle that led them to Him was the Bible. This would certainly be in line with Evangelical believe, no?. So I could say, as a Catholic, that I was saved in Jesus, but the vehicle that brought me to Him was the Church and the Bible that the Church teaches.

I cannot subscribe to the idea that the Church has any value or power EXCEPT through Christ.