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To: tiki

***The ancient Fathers held the unanimous conviction that salvation cannot be achieved outside the Church. St. Ireneus taught that “where the Church is, there is the spirit of God, and where the spirit of God is, there is the Church and all grace.” (35 ) Origen simply declared, “Outside the Church nobody will be saved.” ***

Direct quote. Clear as a bell. If you are outside the church you will not be saved. If you are not saved, you are going to hell. Only those inside the Catholic church will be saved. When they are saying “Church” they mean the Catholic church. Peroid.


221 posted on 05/16/2008 6:50:39 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor

Read the WHOLE article, slowly. Do not pick and choose quotes.


226 posted on 05/16/2008 6:54:51 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: irishtenor

Direct quote from what? Where is your link so we can see the context?


229 posted on 05/16/2008 6:55:22 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: irishtenor

Actually, that is not what they are saying. That is what you are interpreting. I encourage you to read CCC 845 and 846. Furthermore, I would encourage all Protestants here to read CCC 818. There have been references to Trent and Anathmas, and statements that anathmas can’t be revoked when dealing with a person. This is true, as evidenced by CCC 818. The Doctrines that Luther and Calvin, etc proposed are still held to be unorthodox by the Catholic Church, and the anathmas of those doctrines would still hold. However, individuals 500 years later can’t be held to the anathmas that Trent stated as the CCC “clearly points out”.

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm

Here is a nice article from Catolic answers that explains Anathmas quite well.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0004chap.asp

Regards


248 posted on 05/16/2008 7:10:35 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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