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Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]
5/16/08 | me

Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom

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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Who’s shocked?


401 posted on 05/17/2008 12:41:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Iscool
History shows that numerous popes have declared that those outside the Catholic church are damned to Hell...

Do you believe the Catholic Church has the power to damn you to Hell?

402 posted on 05/17/2008 12:45:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom; Petronski
Really? Good grief. I would have thought a Catholic would know his own catechism.

For future reference, there's a link on Petronski's homepage to your catechism.

403 posted on 05/17/2008 12:46:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

The meaning of “co-redeemer” is quite clear, for those with eyes to see.


404 posted on 05/17/2008 12:46:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It is not the Catechism of the Catholic Faith.

It is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


405 posted on 05/17/2008 12:47:13 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom
But netmilsmom, the hyperlink in the post you reponded to for #460 goes right to the Vatican's web site, not some other anti-Catholic site. It's ground zero for the RC catechism.

I read it in context and it is strange to say the least.

Only piece of Scripture I can place the idea in is John 10:34, when Jesus quotes the O.T. in Psalm 82:6.

406 posted on 05/17/2008 12:47:28 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You see it seems when the Catholic partakes of the Lord's Supper he believes #460 of the Catholic catechism and he believes he then BECOMES a god.…We are "partakers" of Christ; we do not "become" Christ, which is the great heresy of Rome that filters into so many of its errant doctrines and practices, as evidenced in #460 among many others.

You are misunderstanding the Catholic position. We do not become another god but are united (become partakers) with the one God. This is a real participation, not just an imputation. We can rightly discuss the distinctions between these two but do not misrepresent what we really believe.

As you see, however, we are both trying to base our beliefs on Scripture; we just disagree on its meaning. So in the end it comes down to the question of by what authority do you insist that I must accept your interpretation of Scripture?

407 posted on 05/17/2008 12:47:37 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The statements that you underlined are comments on the sentance with the footnote 78.

That is a reference to 2Peter 1-4 that says this. "4 Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises, so that through them you may come to share in the divine nature, after escaping from the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire." So, divine nature is from Peter. If anyone has a problem with it, perhaps it should be taken up with him.

408 posted on 05/17/2008 12:50:57 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Oliver Optic
And yet 460 aligns with the RCC's erroneous understanding of the Lord's Supper.

The RCC seems hung up on morphing this creation into God Himself when Scripture is very clear that we remain sinners until our death. Mercifully, if we have been covered by the blood of Christ, all our sins have already been forgiven on the cross (Hebrews 10.)

The unmerited gift of the Holy Spirit indwells and leads Christ's sheep by the grace of God alone. Christ's sheep do not become Christ; they are led by Christ and redeemed by Christ through the grace of His imputed righteousness.

409 posted on 05/17/2008 12:53:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Nope, sorry. I don’t have a photographic memory and therefore use Google.

Since you do know the Catechism so well it won’t be hard for you to give the proper reference next time. Thanks! It’s great when someone is willing to back up what they are saying so that we can see it in context.


410 posted on 05/17/2008 12:53:13 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom
From a Bible fundamentalist point of view ...

Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians?

Of course. 

The catholic or universal church, which (with respect to the internal work of the Spirit and truth of grace) may be called invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
1689 London Baptist Confession

However, if you were referring to the Roman church members, instead of Catholics, the answer is, as others replies have said, some are, some aren't.  Being a Christian is an individual matter, and has nothing to do with church membership.

I understand, of course, that the Roman church considers itself to be THE catholic church.  But you should understand that its members are the only ones who believe this.  While most others use the term Catholic carelessly, the word does have meaning, and that meaning does not change when the word is capitalied,

411 posted on 05/17/2008 12:53:41 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Bosco

The original post WAYYYYY back at the beginning had no reference. I had to do a Google search with quotes. Blame Google. But if the link at 460 had been put in originally, we wouldn’t have a problem.

If we expect that a poster quoting on any other thread has to give a proper link, then here it is expected too. Sorry, no link from someone who is being less than “Happy” about Catholics, gotta have a link for me.

And try 2 Peter 1-4. That is a footnote.


412 posted on 05/17/2008 12:57:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Petrosius

>>So in the end it comes down to the question of by what authority do you insist that I must accept your interpretation of Scripture?<<

Amen!


413 posted on 05/17/2008 12:58:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Celtman; Religion Moderator

You are absolutely correct! I should have said Roman Catholics.

I apologize. If the Mod would be so kind as to correct this, I would appreciate it


414 posted on 05/17/2008 12:59:58 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: XeniaSt
Not in my Bible

When did you delete 2nd Peter 1:4?

415 posted on 05/17/2008 1:01:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The meaning of “co-redeemer” is quite clear, for those with eyes to see.

Nice to see you admit you do not.

416 posted on 05/17/2008 1:02:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you for our daily dose of Calvinist error. I’ll put it in the cabinet with the other emetics.


417 posted on 05/17/2008 1:03:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: TheDon
That’s cool! I was always under the impression that classical Christians did not believe in modern revelation, i.e. communication of God to man. The Bible was it and all. I’m happy to be corrected! Thanks!

Illumination & further revelations always need to be compared to previous revelation.

Example: The Bereans

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

It's noble to be open to God's truth. However, not just anything could or should pass for "revelation." If it counters what existing revelation says--and it's up to us to examine the Bible daily to see if what XYZ says is true--then we need to reject it.

418 posted on 05/17/2008 1:05:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: netmilsmom

Don’t apologize to him for trying to rename Christ’s Church.


419 posted on 05/17/2008 1:05:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
It's there:
NAsbU 2 Peter 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and
magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers
of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
b'SHEM Yah'shua

420 posted on 05/17/2008 1:06:20 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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