Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom
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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<
Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.
They are dead men walking! The Death Star will zap them. No more RINOs!!
I respectfully disagree strongly with your assessments (284 and 288) of my posts.
One of the interesting outs of Protestantism is the lightning fast ability to cut other Protestants lose. Having fractured so many times, it is easy to simply disown other Protestants as "not mainstream" etc. The RCC owns every word ever spoken within the Church, but Protestants only take ownership of what their current minister said last week. That can have its down sides.
I remember well the minister at our small country church growing up. He despised Catholics and once brought in missionaries he wanted to pitch funding for. They were "working to convert Catholics to Christianity". Bless my father who indignantly stated that he'd never heard anything so ridiculous as converting Christians to Christianity.
Again, other than a small minority of the Anabaptists--the fringe groups of the Reformation, none of the Protestant Reformers believed that, and nor do the great majority of grateful Protestant Christians up to the present day.
I think you greatly underestimate the size of that minority and also forget the vicious anti-catholicism of that first generation (the wars were brutal), but I agree its now a minority.
I'm an adult convert to the RCC and I have to tell you that I find the steadfastness of the RCC very comforting. It is made up of men who are sinners like me, but as an institution it is a rock. The RCC will not be performing gay marriages or accepting abortion. Do I wish the church would excommunicate certain false Catholics? Yes.
None of us should beat each other with the sins of our fathers, nor should we look for reasons for division. We have our disagreements, but serve the same master. I think some Protestants are feeling that they have much more in common with the RCC than they do with other Protestants. Not surprising given that "Protestant" is such a catch all term.
IMHO the more conservative Protestant churches, the RCC, and the Orthodox churches should form an alliance of purpose to defend and promote Christian moral values.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
And you say:
and also works are necessary because they are ordained by Christ.
So millions of bible believers and I take the simple words of the Scripture and deem that they reign supreme over any wild private interpretation the Catholic church might dream up...
You are teaching the same thing that your church has taught for hundreds of years...But when the Scriptures were put into a language the people could read, they read this for themselves and understood, and left your church like rats fleeing a sinking ship...
The greatest distinction of the Geneva Bible, however, is the extensive collection of marginal notes that it contains. Prominent Reformation leaders such as John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Theodore Beza, and Anthony Gilby wrote the majority of these notes in order to explain and interpret the scriptures. The notes comprise nearly 300,000 words, or nearly one-third the length of the Bible itself, and they are justifiably considered the most complete source of Protestant religious thought available.
They seem to agree that it's exactly what I described: a commentary, telling the reader how he is to interpret the Bible, according the perspective of the authors. Not that there's anything wrong with that; I own Bibles with commentary, and Bible commentary books, myself.
Gosh, so do I! And I often add "redneck evangelical," too :-). Most of my family has not been involved in the Charismatic Renewal, but my husband and two oldest children were, back when we lived in Tulsa.
>>It’s a great idea for a thread. The few haters outed themselves and the rest of us get along just fine. <<
And it warms my heart!
How about you -- do you believe that???
Awesome thread, netmilsmom!
I asked first.
So you have dibs on it???
You are not required to answer.
“I know you are, but what am I?”
Rubber and glue!
Rubber and glue!
Certainly. I vehemently disagree with the RC church on things like veneration of the saints, but it teaches salvation through Christ.
With your 36000 versions of Christianity your awful sure of yourself. I think life is a gift never taken for granted or assumed we crossed the finish line until we are humbled and kneeling before God and Jesus for all time.God Bless you I look at you as a friend with all the same struggles my neighbor has.How could I ever love my neighbor as myself. Jesus says this is his favorite Commandment.
On my school bus, it was shorthand for “I’m rubber and glue, whatever you say bounces...”
Yes, that’s what “urban dictionary” told me. Maybe it’s an “up north” phrase.
This is an interesting point. I have a website forum called "Fundamentalist Reformation." The point being that even Fundmentalists who claim the mantel of being "Bible Christians" can't even agree on what it means to be Christian.
But to the point of your question, most Protestants would freely acknowledge the presence of many true believers in Christ among Roman Catholics.
And most Protestants must also acknowledge that there are many who are unsaved within their own ranks. This being the case, your point is moot. Within any group of those who call themselves Christians there will be both saved and unsaved people.
Many would add, though, that these are saved in spite of Catholic teaching on salvation and in partial contradiction to it.
The same is true among Protestants, so again you point is moot as it's not our affiliations that save us, it is the grace the God grants us as a result of the shedding of His own Son's blood.
Please don't think I'm picking on you. It's just that for me these ideas we have about incorrect doctrine, belief, and their expression don't only flow one way. We are all subject to having erroneous beliefs in regard to our religion. We need to be very careful not to let our own preferences, talents, passions, and experience dictate what is neccessary for others to be saved lest we become a church of only one.
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