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To: Petronski
Do not assume the "co" in "co-redeemer" means "equal to." It does not. The "co" is the Latin word "cum," meaning "with." I have personally explained this to you before.

That's what some of you guys claim anyway...But the official position is; there is no position...Your magisterium refuses to put an official definition on the phrase...While they still continue to use it...

At least some of the council claim that your church knows how to define it, but claim it would be perlious to their ecumenical efforts...

Similarly, John Paul the Great's words are not doctrine, nor did his speaking of them make them doctrine. They are not a teaching of the Catholic Church. If they were, they would be in the Catechism.

Another innacuracy...Although it is not 'yet' in the catechism, it definately is a teaching of your church...


562 posted on 05/15/2008 9:25:25 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Your magisterium refuses to put an official definition on the phrase...

...because it is not an official teaching of the Church. Duh.

Although it is not 'yet' in the catechism, it definately is a teaching of your church...

Because YOU say so?

ROFLMAO

580 posted on 05/16/2008 4:30:34 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Iscool
Another innacuracy...Although it is not 'yet' in the catechism, it definately is a teaching of your church...

There are a few "experts" who will claim something is not Catholic Teaching unless it is in the Catechism. Not so. Catholic "Teaching" takes several forms.

Code Of Canon Law

Canon 752: While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ’s faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.

Canon 753: Whether they teach individually, or in Episcopal Conferences, or gathered together in particular councils, Bishops in communion with the head and the members of the College, while not infallible in their teaching, are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ’s faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic magisterium of their Bishops.


Not only "teaching" but Catholics are told to submerge their will and intellect to this teaching.

806 posted on 05/16/2008 9:59:39 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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