The Religion Moderator says: But in this case, the issue remains "open" which is to say, no scab has formed, the issue (whether Mary is being worshipped) has not been settled.Please. Get real. The OFFICIAL teaching of the Church is easily accesible and settles the question:
971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.There. Settled. Can we now understand that threads like this are the essential lies told by the Jack Chick haters. It is the SAME hatefilled set of lies.
No wait, you’ve missed the latest.
Now it’s not whether the church makes it official but rather that there ARE some Catholics that worship Mary and we Catholics can’t deny it.
I deny it, but we can’t. It just goes without saying.
Let me give you an example of this...
See post 325 on this thread where this was said
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“I have NEVER said
all RC’s are idolatrous.
I don’t know of ANY PROTTY HEREON WHO HAS SAID such a thing”
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So I went back to a prior post by this person and quoted then asked...(post 333)
>>1900+ years of idolatry is not something to be proud of.
= = =
INDEED<<
So what are we talking about here? Just some? Some people that are RC? Some people are idol worshipers? What?”
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Which was ignored.
So get with the program Narses. No Prottie (as they call themselves) ever said all of us are idol worshipers nor that ALL of us worship Mary.
New program written, so don’t bring up facts again, okay?
As your response shows, for some RCs the ONE and only answer is what the "OFFICIAL teaching" of the RCC proclaims.
Never mind that people have different interpretations on certain subjects. Never mind that Scripture seems to deny what the RCC teaches. For some RCs, the ONLY interpretation for anything is the one Rome gives them.
And, according to you, Narses, we should all be content with that definition.
For about the 50th time, we Protestants understand exactly what you believe.
AND WE DISAGREE WITH IT.
Mary is the mother of our Lord, too. Catholics do not have some special ownership of the Virgin Mary. And we believe what Scripture tells us about Mary and about how Christ told us to view Mary -- as a young woman graced by God to carry the Christ child to term. But as Christ told us in three of the Gospels, she is no closer to Him than all believers are.
And that fact seems to really irritate some people.
There. Settled. Can we now understand that threads like this are the essential lies told by the Jack Chick haters. It is the SAME hatefilled set of lies.
This thread was written over 100 years ago. It's no "Jack Chick" anything. It is not "hatefilled" and it is not a "set of lies." And it is not breaking any rules by its posting.
But more importantly in the great scheme of things, you cannot refute what this thread says. You have to become angry and resort to yelling about what the RCC teaches rather than what the Bible teaches. There's a definite disconnect there somewhere.
So I have to ask. Are you trying to get this thread locked, too?
You are, of course, entirely correct. I don’t know any Catholics who “worship” the Virgin Mary. They honor her above all other women because God honored her above all other women.
I would add that the odd disrespect for, or neglect of, the Virgin Mary among some Protestants was a later development. One of my students did some research into this issue, and found that throughout his writings Martin Luther granted every honor to Mary that was common among Catholics, with the sole exception that he denied her the title “Queen of Heaven.” That was a problem for Luther because the title was once used by Ishtar, the pagan goddess, and condemned by the Prophets. (I’m not saying that he was correct about that—since in my view it is not inconsistent to say that there can be a true Queen of Heaven, as well as to condemn a false one—only that it was the one point on which Luther differed with the Church in paying respect to Mary.)
The reason we investigated Luthere’s views was because John Milton, who was a strongly anti-Catholic, revolutionary Reformer, also pays his respects to the Virgin Mary in his various poems, most notably Paradise Regained. Some Miltonists have been surprised by this attitude on Milton’s part, noting that he seems to write like a Catholic in these passages. But it was good enough for Martin Luther.
***The Religion Moderator says: But in this case, the issue remains “open” which is to say, no scab has formed, the issue (whether Mary is being worshipped) has not been settled. ***
A point of order please. If the anti Catholics claim that Mary is worshipped by Catholics, and we present the Catechism (the Rules) which clearly state the opposite, does that, in accordance with the Rules of FR RF, constitute settlement?
If not, then what, in your opinion, would?
I'm not a Jack Chick hater...Never met the guy...
"... (whether Mary is being worshipped) has not been settled."
Not one word concerning the OFFICIAL teaching of the RCC except in your imagination.
Is Mary being worshipped? That is a simple question.
As some poster around here once said, paraphrased, truth is something man seeks, it is not his final possession, only God knows truth.
But, but they didn’t SAY Jack Chick, they just used his words and his methods without attribution.