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To: sandyeggo; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
Well, here's my problem, you see, right off the bat you are asking me to concede that the mass is legitimate worship, which I am unable to do.

If the mass is the pinnacle of your worship I fail to see where exactly the worship is

The "Christ" being worshipped is not the Christ of the bible, the one in the book of Hebrews, chapter 7 and 9,

“For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; who does not need daily like those high priests to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins and then for the sins of the people. Because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak but the word of the oath which came after the Law appoints a Son made perfect forever.”

The operative word is “once,” one sacrifice. There is no need for daily offering of sacrifices. If you will look at the ninth chapter of Hebrews you will see this same truth repeated in verse 11.

“When Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say not of this creation, and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained...past tense...eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

Again the operative word is “once.”

So you see, I understand you to be involved in a ritual that I can't accept as legitimate to begin with, and yet you tell me it is your highest form of worship and want me to somehow legitimize it by admitting Mary isn't involved.

In fact, what does follow from the mass, in my opinion is that this mass Christ is a broken weakling, subordinate to mankind, in the form of Catholic priests.

309 posted on 05/15/2008 2:01:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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