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One thing for sure, it is Catholics who seem to be making all the claims of hatred and bigotry on these threads. Being a bible believer apparently means I must have some connection to southerners in the KKK or German nazis, though how thse two are connected is beyond me.

We are looking for theological truth on threads, not looking to demean people personally. Instead of replying in the negative, try giving us some biblical or philosophical, or theological reason to believe that Mary stands between us and Jesus. Here I will go first:

Ephesians 2:13

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby :

2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Being a bible believer apparently means I must have some connection to southerners in the KKK or German nazis, though how thse two are connected is beyond me.

Since I am the one who made the reference that included Hitler (Oh great, an article by a Baptist (Spurgeon) referring to an Anglican (Pusey) selectively quoting on what Catholics believe. So much more reliable than listening to the Catholics themselves. (So, Mr. Hitler, do the Jews really drink the blood of German babies?) I will respond to the statement above.

As I stated earlier, it was not my intention to equate Protestants to Nazis. I here apologize if that was the impression that I gave. The point I was trying to make (and the only point) is that relying on a biased and hostile source like Spurgeon for what Catholics believe is like relying on Hitler (another biased and hostile source) for the practices of the Jews. I find relying on demonstrably anti-Catholic writers as sources of Catholic belief particularly offensive since Catholics themselves are not shy in explaining what we believe. What is the point of going to such a source when there are plenty of Catholic sources to go to?

We are looking for theological truth on threads, not looking to demean people personally.

I have no problem with a rough and tumble give and take. If someone wants to state that Catholic veneration of Mary is excessive or unwarranted (or even unBiblical), that would be fair game. But to insist that Catholics believe something that we have repeatedly denied and to use an anti-Catholic source rather than our own documents to "prove" it is dishonest.