Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Agreed - but that’s not what I’ve done.
“Jumping to conclusions” implies a lack of understanding the issues. I’ve read much from both sides and understand enough of the issues to be able to take a baby step to my conclusions - no jumping required.
“Generalizing” is another word for “summarizing”, which is what one does to sum up his position.
I ask you - WHY does the RCC spend so much time and energy creating and defending extra-Biblical doctrines & dogmas?
you don’t want to know what actual catholics believe. You just cherry pick quotes from the most extreme examples of Marian over-indulgence and try to tar all Catholics with a broad brush.
I have no idea why you even bother posting. All you want to do is say “The Pope is the anti-Christ!” and call Catholics heathen idolators. There is no discussion with you.
Thank you!
In looking back at my post #80, it seems that it may have come across as “mind reading” and that was not my intent.
What I meant was that after innumerable debates on Catholic vs. Protestant Marian beliefs I would think that Alex would be aware that Catholics DO NOT believe that Mary was conceived in a non-sexual manner. However, if Alex was not aware of this, I would like to now say that Catholics DO NOT equate the Immaculate Conception with the Incarnation. Catholic beliefs on the Lord’s Incarnation are NO DIFFERENT from Protestantism. Catholic beliefs about the Immaculate Conception are centered SOLELY on the immaculate state of Mary’s soul, NOT the manner in which she was conceived or born.
If I offended Alex in any way, I sincerely apologize.
The Immaculate Conception is just the belief that Mary, by God’s special grace, was preserved from carrying the taint of original sin in order to bring Christ into the world untainted.
That God endowed special grace on her is fully evident from reading the Bible.
Well, this is a Google search of the phase “Mary is also in the Eucharist”
“”immaculately conceived” (ie in similar manner to Jesus).”
Alex, no. She was not concieved in the similar manner to Christ. She was concieved by the licit sexual congress of her mother, Anna, and her father Joachim.
The Blessed Virgin Mary...”
The subject of this immunity from original sin is the person of Mary at the moment of the creation of her soul and its infusion into her body.
“...in the first instance of her conception...”
The term conception does not mean the active or generative conception by her parents. Her body was formed in the womb of the mother, and the father had the usual share in its formation. The question does not concern the immaculateness of the generative activity of her parents. Neither does it concern the passive conception absolutely and simply (conceptio seminis carnis, inchoata), which, according to the order of nature, precedes the infusion of the rational soul. The person is truly conceived when the soul is created and infused into the body. Mary was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin at the first moment of her animation, and sanctifying grace was given to her before sin could have taken effect in her soul.
“...was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin...”
The formal active essence of original sin was not removed from her soul, as it is removed from others by baptism; it was excluded, it never was in her soul. Simultaneously with the exclusion of sin. The state of original sanctity, innocence, and justice, as opposed to original sin, was conferred upon her, by which gift every stain and fault, all depraved emotions, passions, and debilities, essentially pertaining to original sin, were excluded. But she was not made exempt from the temporal penalties of Adam — from sorrow, bodily infirmities, and death.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm
If God makes Adam from mud, he certainly can give his chosen creature, Mary, a soul that is stainless.
*****Let’s just keep to one distortion of what Catholics believe at a time.****
Back to the tomatoes......
I have never ever heard that at Mass. In fact, the only places I hear that are in quotes from the Marian Zealots that do not represent the whole of the Catholic Church.
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Yes and to say that we believe that Catholic believe that Mary was conceived in a manner similar to Jesus Christ is verifiably innaccurate.
>>Back to the tomatoes......<<
I have an OT question. Are there any patio tomatoes that can be planted in the shade?
And the invention of "sola scriptura" is CLEARLY WARNED AGAINST in 2 Peter 3:16-17.
How many of the articles have you read?
Three so far for me and no where does it equate Mary as in the Eucharist.
Perhaps you can take the time to read all of them and then get back to us on the ones that teach that Mary is in the Eucharist.
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Are you saying to read the articles from that Google link? If you look. there is ONE entry and it’s a discussion on another site. *snicker*
Proving, that the phrase “Mary is in the Eucharist” is misinformation and false. Anyone who says it, has an agenda of pushing this misinformation.
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