DR. PUSEY ON THE WORSHIP OF MARY IN THE CHURCH OF ROME

Sword and the Trowel ^ | 1866 | Charles Spurgeon

[OLD REGGIE]

..."All of these points of course perfectly dovetail into the Catholic apologetic that is also always offered (and also always ignored) regarding the distinction of different forms of worship, i.e., latria, hyperdulia, and dulia."

There isn't enough bandwidth to respond to your post point by point nor to discuss the need to invent a special "language".

However, I do think you missed a very important distinction, that is, the highly specialized Catholic definition of "worship".

"For to be right and good, worship of the Mother of God ought to spring from the heart; acts of the body have here neither utility nor value if the acts of the soul have no part in them. Now these latter can only have one object, which is that we should fully carry out what the divine Son of Mary commands. For if true love alone has the power to unite the wills of men, it is of the first necessity that we should have one will with Mary to serve Jesus our Lord. What this most prudent Virgin said to the servants at the marriage feast of Cana she addresses also to us: "Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye" (John ii., 5). Now here is the word of Jesus Christ: "If you would enter into life, keep the commandments" (Mt. xix., 17). Let them each one fully convince himself of this, that if his piety towards the Blessed Virgin does not hinder him from sinning, or does not move his will to amend an evil life, it is a piety deceptive and lying, wanting as it is in proper effect and its natural fruit."
(Ad diem illum laetissimum, Feb 2, 1904: para. 17)

Perfect Consecration to the Blessed Virgin Mary

No, he didn't address hyperdulia.

[xzins]

No, you said that YOU could edit it into a lie and that it would be the same.

It would not be the same, because I didn’t write in the 100,000 number, and therefore, I wouldn’t be certain, when talking with you, that I was posting a lie.

You, after editing in “5 billion” (or whatever number that was that you had chosen) would know that you were basing your post on a lie that you yourself had edited.

[Petronski]

That would be the power of priests to call Christ down from heaven and re-sacrifice him over and over.

Where does this happen?

[big'ol_freeper]

Mighty green of that fellow.

[OLD REGGIE]

It is the Catholic Church in the early years and even before 400 there are popes.

Only through the magic of retroactive history.

[Petronski]

I have looked up what the RCC teaches about Mary being a co-redemptrix.

That must have been instantaneous, as the Catholic Church has no teaching about Mary as co-redemptrix.

[1000 silverlings]

Pontiface Maximus

[Petronski]

No, you said that YOU could edit it into a lie and that it would be the same.

No, I said it would be just as accurate.

I did not say "it would be the same."

You bear false witness against me.

[Petronski]

There is nothing magical about your retroactive history.

[1000 silverlings]

The ancient Latin term, Pontificus Maximus, means Supreme Pontiff, or supreme bridge builder. This was a title of the Caesars, for only the Roman Emperor could build bridges across the Tiber River in Rome. The Pope was known to be a bridge builder among peoples and nations, hence the title Supreme Pontiff.

http://sacredheart.midco.net/homilyarchive/lhomily082502.html

[xzins]

same = accurate

I don’t bear anything. I’m simply going from memory...as my parenthetical statement after 5 billion will indicate.

Nonetheless, my logic was sound.

It wouldn’t be just as accurate, to use your words, because you would KNOW your words to be lies.

[Salvation]

The writer is incorrect in his assessment. Catholics do NOT worship Mary.

I’m surprised that you would even post this. You know it is all false.

[Petronski]

same = accurate

NO.

It wouldn’t be just as accurate, to use your words, because you would KNOW your words to be lies.

I would know both numbers were posted without any requirement of proof or vetting of credentials.

[netmilsmom]

>>I’m surprised that you would even post this. You know it is all false.<<

Are you SERIOUSLY surprised that she would post it, Salvation?
I’m sure not.

[Petronski]

Some of the quotes—unattributed—make claims about Catholic teaching that are demonstrably false.

[xzins]

But you would KNOW your own words to be lies.

And you would NOT KNOW that about the other words.

[Petronski]

In both cases I would KNOW not to trust posts on political or religious matters on wikipedia.

[xzins]

Of the two posts would would be certain of the falsehood of only one post....your own. And that because you would know your number to be fictitious.

[OLD REGGIE]

I have no idea of millions. I think they may be thinking of the cumulative effect of the English occupation leading up to and including the potato famine. Or I could be wrong.

You are wrong my friend.

"Protestant Puritan British killed millions of Irish Catholics under Oliver Cromwell."

This is simply an example of one who invents history and dissapears.

[Salvation]

You have FReepmail.