Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you for your kind words.
I’m speaking as a Methodist protestant, and I think very few are now in the Wesley camp, believing that Mary had no other children.
A literal reading of the bible is most consonant with the understanding, in our opinion, that she did have other children.
...if I asked "do many Catholics worship Mary" and you again said "no" (citing Catholic dogma) I would say you were throwing up a smoke screen, disowning so many "Catholics" you would substantially reduce the number of Catholics...
Define "so many" or "substantially reduce."
Which “lie” in the above article most troubles you?
>>On the other hand if I asked “do many Catholics worship Mary” and you again said “no” (citing Catholic dogma) I would say you were throwing up a smoke screen, disowning so many “Catholics” you would substantially reduce the number of Catholics, generally claimed to be approximately 1.2 Billion. <<
See? This is the new playbook.
Voluntary--even rebellious--self-deprivation of the Holy Sacraments has got to be torturous stuff.
Uhmm...k...
***See? This is the new playbook.***
Just variations on the old. There is nothing new under the sun in the attack on the Church. Same tactics, different names.
We need fear nothing, for the Lord has given us strength. The Visigoths burned Rome; the Scriptural Visigoths have emasculated the Bible. No matter. We must bring the Good News to the heathen, the heretic and the apostate.
Thanks.
I lurk, rarely post, because I am appalled at the nastiness of it all.
Protty’s and RC’s (and Orthodox sometimes) ripping each other’s eyes out over dogma when the basic theology is the same while much of the rest of the world (secularists and Muzzies) lumps us all in together for eradication.
So a redeemer is a deity but a co-redeemer is not a deity?
Catholicism doctrine does not teach “co-redeemer” status of anything.
Is pope John Paul II a Catholic? Did he speak out of turn or against the RCC catechism?
In his general audience address of April 9, 1997, JPII said: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself [the crucifixion] and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. SHE ALONE WAS ASSOCIATED IN THIS WAY WITH THE REDEMPTIVE SACRIFICE THAT MERITED THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND. IN UNION WITH CHRIST AND IN SUBMISSION TO HIM, SHE COLLABORATED IN OBTAINING THE GRACE OF SALVATION FOR ALL HUMANITY. … In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (cf. Jn 2:4; 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, LET US TURN TO MARY, IMPLORING HER HELP IN ALL OUR NEEDS" (Vatican Information Service). In his general audience for July 30, JPII said: "As the Mother of all the Lord’s disciples (cf. Jn 19:26), MARY OFFERS HER INTERCESSION AND AID TO ALL WHO JOURNEY TOWARDS THE FULLNESS OF THE LORD’S KINGDOM. As the Bride and Temple of the Holy Spirit, she encourages us to imitate her openness to the workings of the Spirit and to live in constant, loving communion with the Blessed Trinity."In 1985, in Guayaquil, Ecuador, JPII said: "Mary goes before us and accompanies us. The silent journey that begins with her Immaculate Conception and passes through the ‘yes’ of Nazareth, which makes her the Mother of God, finds on Calvary a particularly important moment. … In fact, at Calvary she united herself with the sacrifice of her Son that led to the foundation of the Church; her maternal heart shared to the very depths the will of Christ ‘to gather into one all the dispersed children of God’ (Jn. 11:52). Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son" (Inside the Vatican, July 1997).
There's just soooooo much wrong here it's difficult to know what to point to first. God forgive those who turn men away from Christ towards the creature, no matter how blessed that creature was or is.
Are some of these "goings on" Marycentric?
Guess I missed your point.
Where in that did I say that all the RC’s were idolaters?
I was speaking of all those years where such was allowed to cultivated to encouraged on the part of the magicsterical.
Who but God knows how many fell to the temptation.
I'm unfamiliar with any Calvinist who believes in reincarnation. I sure hope you have some proof for that assertion.
We Protestants back up our assertions with facts and words from Catholics themselves, even the pope.
And you?
A Google search of the phrase “Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son” (Inside the Vatican, July 1997). “
Revels nothing but hate sites. Give us a link to that “Inside the Vatican 1997” and let us read what is removed and (...) put in.
Do not assume the "co" in "co-redeemer" means "equal to." It does not. The "co" is the Latin word "cum," meaning "with." I have personally explained this to you before.
Pope Benedict speaks very favorable of Mozart, yet love of Mozart is not an official teaching of Catholicism.
Similarly, John Paul the Great's words are not doctrine, nor did his speaking of them make them doctrine. They are not a teaching of the Catholic Church. If they were, they would be in the Catechism.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
What lies are acceptable to you?
Often you merely pretend to do so.
“We Protestants back up our assertions with facts and words from Catholics themselves, even the pope.”
The only things you and your friends have posted are cherry-picked, distorted, and in the case our UFO poster, incomprehensible.
I spoke wrongly. You are correct. I was a little flustered and the hyperbole flowed
Cromwell’s war, however, did lead to almost 40% of Ireland being dead or in exile.
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