Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
“The country of Ireland was wasted. Desease and plague reigned .Famine was constant.
Whole counties lay waste and deserted with neither man nor beast nor bird. Mountjoys methods of distroying all the crops to subdue the Irish.
The Commissioners and Colonel Jones advised that no peace could last without removing priests, sept heads and men with arms out of the land. Many starved along the roads or were killed by wolves.
TheBlack Plague raged killing as many.
Wolves increased to such an extent that a bounty was laid on them, 5 lbs for a dog and 10 lbs for a bitch. Irish wolf hounds were not allowed to be taken out of the country. Tide waiters stood at the ports to seize any hounds for the public huntsmen.
The Puritans additionally wanted to eliminate Priests. A Price on their heads as well as for Fryers Monks and Nuns. Harboring a priest or religious required forfiet of any lands and life. Some were able to escape to Spain with retiring soldiers.They needed passports to leave.They were all officiallly declared , without trial, guilty of High treason and those who helped them were felons.
Any pretext to clear the country of its natives was seized;
Descendants of rebels and
those with no visible means of support were transported.
Bands of outlaws roamed the bogs and dence forests as Tories.
Thousands of priests, captured children and young girls wer sold to slavery for Jamica and Barbados, known than as the tobacco islands. These were sold to the planters for a number of years [indentured]
The outlaws were identified and prices set on ther heads 40 s for a common one, 5 lbs for a lord.
3/4ths of the pre war cattle stock had been wiped out.Cattle had to be imported from Wales for breeeding stock.
4//5 of the land lay waste.
Waste land was let to officers for 5 years for a reasonable rent provided they till sow and manue the land.
Ireland was now a ‘blank sheet of paper on which the English Commonwealth might write the characters they pleased’
http://irishhistorysynopsis.blogspot.com/2007/07/irish-history-synopsisthe-cromwell-era.html
If something is said about Catholicism, what is said should be true and not false.
If you think what I said was untrue, it means you are either that you don't know RCC doctrine very well, or you are lying. It's as simple as that.
“BTW, the whole theology of the Catholic Church is Pauline.”
Opps. Correction: The Theology of the Catholic Church...(the whole).
What, no Tradition??? Can't be legitimate then, can it???
Sorry, my Scripture didn't originate with YOUR church fathers...And no, the Apostles are not your church fathers...
That said, I'd be interested in your numbers for the "witches" killed during the Witchcraft Hysteria in 1692.
I ask you for numbers because you are the one who claims "millions" of Irish Cathollics were killed by Cromwell. The fact this is a number considerably larger than the entire population of Ireland is apparently meaningless to you.
(My numbers for the killing of "witches" in Salem is between 19-26). I'm sure you can stretch that into "countless" thousands.
“Sorry, my Scripture didn’t originate with YOUR church fathers...And no, the Apostles are not your church fathers...”
The Scripture originated with Christ and the Apostles silly. Peter is the first pope. See the list.
Prove they weren’t.
Perhaps you would be willing to provide evidence of the "millions" killed by Cromwell?
>>How can we all be Christians here when according to the RCC, people who reject its ‘authority’ cannot be real Christians?<<
Where in the world are you getting that from?
Reference, in the Vatican’s words. Not AP, not Reuters.
And as for you last citation, you also gave no reference.
“Let’s make some small effort to be factual with our “history”.”
Just posting a snippet of history.
I have no idea of millions. I think they may be thinking of the cumulative effect of the English occupation leading up to and including the potato famine. Or I could be wrong.
It’s millions if you include the totality of time from Cromwell to the Potato Famine under English occupation.
Best of luck to you in your new endeavor!
What “endeavor” is that, Mark?
The Religion Moderator says: But in this case, the issue remains "open" which is to say, no scab has formed, the issue (whether Mary is being worshipped) has not been settled.Please. Get real. The OFFICIAL teaching of the Church is easily accesible and settles the question:
971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.There. Settled. Can we now understand that threads like this are the essential lies told by the Jack Chick haters. It is the SAME hatefilled set of lies.
Why does it matter to you? Are the numbers really what's important?
Agreed; this is plainly an overstatement.
However: The Irish potato famine killed 1.1 to 1.5 million. Irleand once nearly 9 million people. By 1911, it had only 4.4 million. Of course, much of the loss was due to emigration, but even so, up to 1/3rd of the passengers on the so-called “coffin ships” died en route; yet conditions in Ireland were so dire people boarded these ships eagerly.
Now, of course, there’s a difference between deliberate killings and killings due to the secondary effects of barbarous and malicious government policies. But, then again, the Roman Catholic church did not kill the Huguenots, either; rather it was the frenzy of a condemned mob.
As noted by Irish activist John Mitchell: “The English, indeed, call the famine a ‘dispensation of Providence;’ and ascribe it entirely to the blight on potatoes. But potatoes failed in like manner all over Europe; yet there was no famine save in Ireland. The British account of the matter, then, is first, a fraud - second, a blasphemy. The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine.”
Indeed, the potato famine was caused by the complete reliance of the Irish people on potatoes due to their British oppressors. And the bureaucrat who called “a direct stroke of an all-wise and all-merciful Providence” was charged by Her Royal Majesty with overseeing the “relief effort.”
And this attitude has not abated. In one of my Shakespeare classes, my professor approvingly noted that the famine was a “final solution” to Britain’s “Catholic problem,” as if oblivious to the fact that she was echoing Adolf Hitler. When I complained, the administration’s response was that I shouldn’t infer that she was representing her own values; her views were representative of the mainstream of literary thought.
Your endeavor to draw the tares away.
No wait, you’ve missed the latest.
Now it’s not whether the church makes it official but rather that there ARE some Catholics that worship Mary and we Catholics can’t deny it.
I deny it, but we can’t. It just goes without saying.
Let me give you an example of this...
See post 325 on this thread where this was said
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“I have NEVER said
all RC’s are idolatrous.
I don’t know of ANY PROTTY HEREON WHO HAS SAID such a thing”
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So I went back to a prior post by this person and quoted then asked...(post 333)
>>1900+ years of idolatry is not something to be proud of.
= = =
INDEED<<
So what are we talking about here? Just some? Some people that are RC? Some people are idol worshipers? What?”
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Which was ignored.
So get with the program Narses. No Prottie (as they call themselves) ever said all of us are idol worshipers nor that ALL of us worship Mary.
New program written, so don’t bring up facts again, okay?
As your response shows, for some RCs the ONE and only answer is what the "OFFICIAL teaching" of the RCC proclaims.
Never mind that people have different interpretations on certain subjects. Never mind that Scripture seems to deny what the RCC teaches. For some RCs, the ONLY interpretation for anything is the one Rome gives them.
And, according to you, Narses, we should all be content with that definition.
For about the 50th time, we Protestants understand exactly what you believe.
AND WE DISAGREE WITH IT.
Mary is the mother of our Lord, too. Catholics do not have some special ownership of the Virgin Mary. And we believe what Scripture tells us about Mary and about how Christ told us to view Mary -- as a young woman graced by God to carry the Christ child to term. But as Christ told us in three of the Gospels, she is no closer to Him than all believers are.
And that fact seems to really irritate some people.
There. Settled. Can we now understand that threads like this are the essential lies told by the Jack Chick haters. It is the SAME hatefilled set of lies.
This thread was written over 100 years ago. It's no "Jack Chick" anything. It is not "hatefilled" and it is not a "set of lies." And it is not breaking any rules by its posting.
But more importantly in the great scheme of things, you cannot refute what this thread says. You have to become angry and resort to yelling about what the RCC teaches rather than what the Bible teaches. There's a definite disconnect there somewhere.
So I have to ask. Are you trying to get this thread locked, too?
I am not lying and I consider it a personal attack for you to say that I am.
It’s not “just a fact.” It is your opinion.
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