Posted on 05/14/2008 9:06:42 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
Yes, you are right. I will fight WITH whomever will defend our constitution. Give me liberty or give me death.
but my sense is that the non-trinitarians (of ALL shapes and sizes) will be leading the pack trying to get rid of us.
They do not believe that God became flesh
These few who endlessy try to distort and poison the LDS water.
Mosiah 15
1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.
6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even as Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.
7 Yea, even so he shall be led, crucified, and slain, the flesh becoming subject even unto death, the will of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.
8 And thus God breaketh the bands of death, having gained the victory over death; giving the Son power to make intercession for the children of men—
9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice.
10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.
12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?
13 Yea, and are not the prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.
14 And these are they who have published peace, who have brought good tidings of good, who have published salvation; and said unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!
15 And O how beautiful upon the mountains were their feet!
16 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that are still publishing peace!
17 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those who shall hereafter publish peace, yea, from this time henceforth and forever!
18 And behold, I say unto you, this is not all. For O how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that is the founder of peace, yea, even the Lord, who has redeemed his people; yea, him who has granted salvation unto his people
; 19 For were it not for the redemption which he hath made for his people, which was prepared from the foundation of the world, I say unto you, were it not for this, all mankind must have perished.
20 But behold, the bands of death shall be broken, and the Son reigneth, and hath power over the dead; therefore, he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead.
21 And there cometh a resurrection, even a first resurrection; yea, even a resurrection of those that have been, and who are, and who shall be, even until the resurrection of Christ—for so shall he be called.
22 And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that have believed in their words, or all those that have kept the commandments of God, shall come forth in the first resurrection; therefore, they are the first resurrection.
23 They are raised to dwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has broken the bands of death.
24 And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having salvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord.
25 And little children also have eternal life.
26 But behold, and fear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that rebel against him and die in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; these are they that have no part in the first resurrection.
27 Therefore ought ye not to tremble? For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny himself; for he cannot deny justice when it has its claim.
28 And now I say unto you that the time shall come that the salvation of the Lord shall be declared to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
29 Yea, Lord, thy watchmen shall lift up their voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
30 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
31 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Give me liberty or give me death.
Give me liberty or give me death.
Give me liberty or give me death.
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No non-trinitarians need apply.
I guess that should include Jews too?
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The Jews have always been Trinitarians..
Is Jesus a separate God from the Father or are they the same God?
Jesus Christ as Father in the Book of Mo...
Andrew Skinner
Sperry Symposium 2003 (10/29/2003)
http://www.byub.org/sperry/real/skinner03.ram
Thank you.
Very clear, thank you.
Sorry I missed all the fun? but I was busy.
I want to apologize in advance to all the schismatics, sects and splinter groupies who enjoy bashing Roman Catholics in this forum.
I take exception to your take that Catholic thought, doctrine, dogma and faith is a “free-fire” zone as far as you are concerned.
I take your affronts to my faith personally and if you tried repeating some of that gutter swill that you spew on this forum, directly to my face, you would have about three seconds to apologize before I put you on the ground.
I know very un-Christlike, but then in a different age I would have lead one of the Crusades.
Regards,
Lurking’
The conservative approach to censorship is a matter of balancing the freedom of speech with all other freedoms. A person can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater or libel or slander others without consequence, etc. But he can surely speak up when he is outraged. And he doesn't have to throttle his speech with political correctness, e.g. he can say "blind" instead of "visually impaired."
As long as I am the Religion Moderator, as far as possible, every poster will have a voice provided they comply with reasonable restrictions which are in place to help preserve the peace, e.g. not "making it personal."
There will be both "caucus" threads and "open" threads on the Religion Forums. The question is whether the RF posters can muster the decorum necessary to have "ecumenic" discussions or whether the "caucus" threads will be opened so they can disparage other beliefs without any rebuttal at all.
LOL!
I’m on dialup and don’t have time for realplayer downloads.
You can tell me in your own words.
When we refer to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Is Jesus a separate God from the Father or are they the same God?
If you have Verizon in your area you can get DLS for $20 a month!
I wish I had a transcript for you
This is the closest I could get I have not refresh yet so it might touch on the subject
The Nature and Character of God
http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=11037
Audio
http://byubmp3.byu.edu/devos/devo041106.mp3
Just to give an idea how backward is our area, we do have Verizon but we don’t have DLS in our area. You’d think we were in the Amazon or something.
I can see you don’t want to answer the question, so I’ll answer it for you.
Your official teaching is that three separate gods occupy an office called the trinity. It is not trinitarianism.
Heh. :)
"Excessive censorship of speech called 'political correctness' is a liberal phenomenon, not a conservative one."
Failure to enforce standards of basic courtesy towards one's guests in one's own home (and FR has often been called "Jim Robinson's living room) is a liberal phenomenon, not a conservative one.
The covering up of ugly, insulting, demeaning behavior under the white cloth of "freedom of speech" is a liberal vice, not a conservative virtue. It has been used by the likes of Larry Flynt, various other pornographers, folks who peddle flesh, and other purveyors of filth.
“A person can't yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater or libel or slander others without consequence,...”
The failure here is the lack of recognition that this is precisely what is promoted in the “Open [Sewer]” threads.
sitetest
Not sure I understand this. Does this mean the caucus threads will be a foxhole from which shots can be fired at any other belief without the expectation of having any return fire?
As far as I can see, that is the situation now. The religion that holds ALL other beliefs to be "abominable" from its inception, is free to post page after page with no rebuttal in caucus threads, and the situation is little different on the ecumenic threads. The very ACT of posting basic belief is in itself, "firing shots" at all Christian faiths.
When a belief automatically disparages ALL others in its whole persona and continuously posts non-biblical propaganda to buttress this disparagement under the cover of "caucus" what would be the harm in opening ALL caucus threads to afford ALL beliefs the same advantage?
Is Jesus a separate God from the Father or are they the same God?
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Resty,
Please answer the man...
Yes or No...
or whether the “caucus” threads will be opened so they can disparage other beliefs without any rebuttal at all.
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RM,
I think I am lost at this comment...
Please explain further...
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