Posted on 05/13/2008 6:23:31 AM PDT by sevenbak
I do not KNOW if it was; but I doubt it.
Here is an example from the Old Testement...
Polly want's a crack-pot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsQOGo-bTa4
Beats me; but why is he and OMM trying to get a RISE out of me? ;^)
What do you EXPECT?
When they are trying SO hard to 'sound like a Christian'?
Back to Logic 101
There are certain posters on FR who are on these threads simply to disrupt. Not naming names or anything, it’s just something I’ve observed.
Well let me put it this way, they believe that the Indians (Laminites) are direct descendants and the rest (the vast majority of Mormons, are adopted.)
My mission President, George P. Lee a Navajo, believed that his direct lineage gave him priority, via the Book of Mormon over the other adopted members. It was a very similar view taken by Emma Smith about Joseph's descendants.
In other words, I consider myself a Jew, live as a Jew, and will die as a Jew, but I accept that the community as a whole will probably never accept me as such during my lifetime, though I have many Jewish friends who personally do.
That is interesting. I am currently studying Jewish mysticism, aleph null specifically. There is a reason why so many Nobel prizes have been won by Jews.
You are halfway there :) Aligning yourself to God's will is all you can do. Asking for anything, permitted or not, is rebuking God. It is like telling God that he doesn't know your needs better than you.
Prayer is like forgiving, it can be a powerful transformative experience but it is simply you transforming yourself. It is a mechanism that allows inner change. Expecting external change is wrong, except in response to your internal change.
When they are trying SO hard to 'sound like a Christian'?
He is a Jew.
So it makes sense to you to try and explain something to an all knowing being? LOL
Your logic only makes sense if God needs your direction and guidance, which would mean that God is not all knowing and makes mistakes.
Actually it is not. God himself asks us to ask him, and so we do. We however, ask that His will to be done in all things. Exactly as he tells us to do (remember it is His will and not ours that matters).
This brings us in line with Him. I can and do pray for Jim Robinson's health, but I also pray that God only knows the big picture. God's will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Believers in God already know and accept this before anything else.
So now you mind read GOD.
Cool!
Why are you praying for Jim Robinson's health if all you really want is Gods will to be done? Surely God already decided what he is going to do with Jim Robinson eons ago. Why do you ask that he heal someone if you don't really mean it?
Like I said, the purpose of prayer is for you to transform yourself, not to effect some external change like healing Jim Robinson, or getting it to rain.
Cool!
Actually I am simply stating that an all knowing God is all knowing. Now if you think that you can tell an all knowing God something that he doesn't know I am all ears : )
***Yes, it is the point behind Religion isn’t it? If you do what God wants then God will give you what you need, rain, victory over your enemies, healing, eternal life, forgiveness, etc, etc. ***
Sonny boy, it’s Scripture. If you take umbrage at that, then it takes it to whole new level.
I am an Atheist. It tends to colour the way I look at scripture : )
Do you pray for Jim Rob? Just wondered.
I do. If it is God’s will, Jim will be healed, but either way God will use this for His and (his) good.
Nuff said. You are an avowed atheist. How could you possibly understand?
I pray for you too LeGrande, perhaps God will use my prayers to change you, then again perhaps God will use my prayers to change me. Either way, it is in God’s hands.
I wish him the very best, but of course I don't pray for him. What would be the point?
I do. If it is God’s will, Jim will be healed, but either way God will use this for His and (his) good.
With your caveat, if it is God's will, what is the difference between your prayer and my wish?
Nuff said. You are an avowed atheist. How could you possibly understand?
I am an atheist now, but I wasn't always an atheist as you well know. I have spent days in fasting and prayer and appreciate its transformative power.
I pray for you too LeGrande, perhaps God will use my prayers to change you, then again perhaps God will use my prayers to change me. Either way, it is in God’s hands.
Thank you for praying for me. I hope your efforts to help others will give you peace.
***I am an Atheist. It tends to colour the way I look at scripture : )***
Ah, you have taken the conversation to a whole new level. When you read Scripture, how is it coloured for you?
Do you consider it a fairy story?
Do you consider it a fairy story?
No, not at all. I see scripture (the Bible) as a complex intermingling of historical events, laws, fables and parables. Mostly I see scripture as a history of mans attempts to make sense of the world around them, where we came from, what we are, why we are here and what our purpose is.
How do you see the Scripture. Do you view it as literal absolute truth, straight from the mouth of God?
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