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The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 2
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Posted on 05/10/2008 12:21:53 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Running On Empty; PAR35; Alex Murphy
***If that is truly the case, then at least the officers may agree and not deny the belief that the Pope is the Anti-Christ. As I have previously posted, this position has been posted more than once on these forums and, when posted, was not denied or repudiated.***

So why do proabortion Catholic politicians take the Eucharist? If I were a Catholic, I'd find that much more disturbing than searching for a boogeyman in other confessions.

21 posted on 05/11/2008 7:00:21 AM PDT by Gamecock ("I find your lack of faith-disturbing" Darth Vader)
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex, it’s not that I don’t believe the answer you have given.

It’s addressing the fact that, as I see it, there has been a contrary position offered here.

If it’s clarified, I’ll make the effort to understand the difference.

God bless.


22 posted on 05/11/2008 7:03:13 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the post. Like I said before, I have a very good friend who is a serious Presbyterian here in Baton Rouge, LA where I live. His Church, the largest Presbyterian CHurch in LA, left the PCUSA and is going to join a different Presbyterian Fellowship. His pastor has been frequently quoting from Pope Benedict’s “Jesus of Nazareth”, so I have anecdotal evidence that at least First Presbyterian in Baton Rouge, LA does not hold to the position that the Pope of Rome is the antichrist.

I have always had more respect for the Historic Protestant Confessions (Lutherans, Traditional Anglicans, and Reformed) than the recent Protestant groups that have sprung up in the last 100 years, as there are many core doctrines we all hold in common as Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Historical Protestants. At least you all have a position which clearly states where you stand and I as a Catholic can appreciate that, even though I disagree with some of the positions of the Reformed Confessions.

On your point about Pro-Abortion/Choice Catholic Politicians receiving Holy COmmunion, that is an issue that is widely discussed on Catholic Blogs. Trust me, it is an issue, and it has begun to get more attention at the Bishop’s level. As of now, Rome has made its position clear, but not given directions to the Local Bishop as to how to “pastorally handle the question”. Still, there are some Bishops who are beginning to tell politicans that if you continue to promote Abortion policies, you should not present yourself for Holy Communion. Just recently, Cardinal Egan of NY reprimanded Rudy Guiliani for taking Holy COmmunion at the Papal Mass. The Bishop of Kansas City, MO issued a letter telling the governor of Kansas or MO, I can’t recall which Governor, is not to take Holy COmmunion until her public position on that issue changes.

I know Abp Burke of St. Louis has issued similar statements on the abortion and Communion question. Perhaps other Catholics on Free Republic can provide other cases in the U.S. that I can’t recall of the top of my head.

Once again, thanks for your post in response to mine.

Regards


23 posted on 05/11/2008 8:27:48 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Gamecock; CTrent1564

CTrent’s post re: pro-abortion Catholic politicians speaks for me, also.

I’m not “searching for a boogeyman in other confessions”.
I don’t make that a practice and never have.

Do you believe that is my intent?


24 posted on 05/11/2008 9:23:30 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

I don’t think I ever stated that Pro-Abortion politicians speak for me. I reject abortion as a grav moral injustice and sin. I was just responding to Gamecock’s statement.

However, while the Westminster Confessions did speak for the Reformed Confessions, and still do (with some modifications as I have learned from Gamecock), in no instance to politicians of any stripe (Dem, Independent, Rep, etc) speak for the Church. That job is the Bishop of Rome and the Bishops in communion with him (e.g., Magisterium).

Regards


25 posted on 05/11/2008 9:44:50 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

I don’t know the reason for your seeming rebuke to me.

I was concurring with what you wrote in paragraphs 3 and 4 of your post #23.

“That job is the Bishop of Rome and the Bishops in communion with him”. I agree totally with this.

I have spent the years since Roe V . Wade working in Catholic Pro-life groups and initiatives.


26 posted on 05/11/2008 9:54:15 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: CTrent1564

Thanks for your kind words.

With those Proddies you listed you at least know what you get. The others will cange as the wind blows.

Thanks for the update on the abortion/communion issue as well.


27 posted on 05/11/2008 10:22:06 AM PDT by Gamecock ("I find your lack of faith-disturbing" Darth Vader)
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To: Running On Empty

My apologies, I misinterpreted what you wrote. I thought you were stating that I as a Catholic was not condoning Pro-Abortion Catholics.

Again, I blew this one.

Regards


28 posted on 05/11/2008 6:57:45 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564; Running On Empty

My previous post. I meant to say that I thought you were stating that I “was condoning Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians”

Sorry again,


29 posted on 05/11/2008 7:12:26 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Petronski; Gamecock; Alex Murphy
I made no claim about what any denomination has done. The thread is about the Westminster Confession of Faith, which I have accurately quoted and linked.

Should we be using the Baltimore Catechism when we discuss the Roman Catholic church or the revised Catechism now in use?

30 posted on 05/17/2008 5:31:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

If there is a thread with Baltimore Catechism in the title, why would anyone complain if you cited the Baltimore Catechism?


31 posted on 05/17/2008 5:40:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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