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A FALSE HEALING REVIVAL?
Sola Dei Gloria ^ | pjmiller

Posted on 05/09/2008 9:45:21 PM PDT by LJayne

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I know there are pros and cons to this 'Healing Revival'. Research it yourself.

I have friends who think it's great and other friends who think Todd Bentley has gone off the deep end.

"Test all things and hold fast to that which is good" 1 Thessalonians 5:21

It's taken me two years to come to my conclusion. I've been to Todd Bentley's meetings two years ago, have several of his books, and numerous cd's. I've studied them and have compared them to scripture and have come to the conclusion there is a mixture in what he teaches and for that reason cannot endorse his ministry.

Here's what the Bible says about the Bereans:

"As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men." (Acts 17:10-12)

1 posted on 05/09/2008 9:45:21 PM PDT by LJayne
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To: LJayne

What would be a true healing revival?


2 posted on 05/09/2008 9:57:05 PM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: LJayne
I do not have a clue as to who these persons are, the page link doesn't look good thats for sure.
Do you believe in divine healing, whether it comes miraculously or God directing to doctors? Just wondering.
3 posted on 05/09/2008 10:02:36 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw
Do you believe in divine healing, whether it comes miraculously or God directing to doctors? Just wondering.

Absolutely! I can witness! My own daughter was given back to us through a diverse and peculiar miracle. Some day I will endeavor to write a vanity about it, but for now, I can truthfully attest that her survival was nothing short of an act of God.

4 posted on 05/09/2008 10:11:50 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Hallelujah!
5 posted on 05/09/2008 10:13:35 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: LJayne; Pelham
...False “angel” encounters of the weirdest kind, gold dust, guided visualizations of the “Third Heaven” that are straight out of the New Age, etc...Many charismatics are wondering if the protracted meetings will become a phenomenon similar to what happened in Rodney Howard-Browne’s meetings in Lakeland in 1993, at the Toronto Airport Vineyard Church in Canada in 1994 and at Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola in 1995…”

My thoughts exactly. Bentley didn't even bother to alter some of the most famous "miracle" claims, i.e., gold dust, reported during the Toronto Blessing revivals in the 90s, though the latter enjoyed a wider array of bizarre and sensational events; enough to make Benny Hinn green with envy.
6 posted on 05/09/2008 10:34:27 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it."--G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Das Outsider

Heresy of the Month Club.


7 posted on 05/09/2008 11:19:12 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: LJayne; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; ...

APOSTACY ALERT!

CHRISTIANS,KNOW YOUR HISTORY:
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/finney.htm

5 SOLAS!


8 posted on 05/10/2008 5:13:00 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: svcw

Absolutely. I was healed of breast cancer, and my husband was healed of deafness. I’m not questioning if God heals today, he most definitely does.


9 posted on 05/10/2008 5:52:39 AM PDT by LJayne (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because of us, not outsiders.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Great article!


10 posted on 05/10/2008 5:57:14 AM PDT by LJayne (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because of us, not outsiders.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

I must say I’ve given some of my Calvinists friends more than a few things to ponder as they found out about my healing.

Many of my friends didn’t believe that God heals today but after that, some of them changed their minds. Still others say I never had cancer. I just smile and praise God for his healing grace.

1. I hadn’t been to any charismatic meeting.
2. No one laid hands on me.
3. God healed me in my own home.
4. I had a biopsy done showing cancer, so I had documented proof, but when a second biopsy was done there was no sign of any cancer.


11 posted on 05/10/2008 6:07:53 AM PDT by LJayne (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because of us, not outsiders.)
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To: LJayne; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; ...

AMEN SAINT!

THOUGH,PAUL,ME,KITTY MITTENS,JIM ROB AND COUNTLESS OTHER SAINTS HAVE BEEN AFFLICTED!

WE LOOK AT JOB AND OTHER TEACHINGS,WE SHOULD ALLWAYS KNOW WHEN TO DISCERN SPIRITUALLY,”THROWING THE BABY OUT”!

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=54081610385

SERMON AND TEACHING,BY PASTOR KIT,NOT ALPHA!

66 POINTS!


12 posted on 05/10/2008 6:36:01 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: LJayne
This season's enthusiasm, akin to a late medieval Catholic saying "Hey, I hear they've got the diapers of the Blessed Virgin at Basel. Let's go." And they go, to the neglect of the "ordinary means of grace".

That's a problem even aside from all the weird crap that's going on.

13 posted on 05/10/2008 6:45:45 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Think of it as...an eschatological intrusion." BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!! BOOOM!!)
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To: LJayne
Praise God!.
I was healed of ovarian cancer. The docs said I would be dead in six months, that was 21 years ago - a really long six months.
14 posted on 05/10/2008 7:12:52 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: LJayne

That’s a wonderful testimony. God certainly does heal folks, and He doesn’t need a preacher or evangelist to do it. He’s done so for me and several in my family, and He does so as He chooses. The key is, IMO, that we stay in prayer. Often He does not change our situation, He changes us.


15 posted on 05/10/2008 7:56:57 AM PDT by opus86
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To: alpha-8-25-02; LJayne
Amen, my Brother, and Thank you for the Link to 'A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing!' My Prayer is that our Lord will Pour Out Divine Discernment Upon the Church in Greater and Greater Measures, and will Deliver Many from the Errors of Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, and Other Merchandisers of False Doctrine. Glory to our King for His Faithfulness, His Mercies, and His Grace!

'O God Enthroned in Heaven, I Lift my Eyes to You.' (Ps.123:1)

Thank you for the Thread, LJayne.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 8:32:46 AM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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To: LJayne

I know a woman who is a “Doctor of Naturopathy” (N.D.) who has her own practice treating the ill with snake glands, ginger pellets, and powders made from exotic-sounding plants. Is this harmless or harmful to people with real illnesses?


17 posted on 05/10/2008 9:28:00 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: LJayne
"ANGELS" & the FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL - Warning!
-by Andrew Strom.

I continue to get emails about last week's article - "A FALSE
HEALING REVIVAL?" Some people strongly agree, while others
are totally outraged that I would question the healings or other
manifestations that are occurring.

Personally I am deeply saddened that I even have to put out these
warnings. I get no pleasure out of it. In fact I hate having to talk
about this stuff. But what happens if something is seriously amiss
and yet no warnings are given? Is it right to be silent in such a
case? What about the precious sheep? Shouldn't they be warned?

What a lot of people may not realize is that the leader of the revival
Todd Bentley has a long history in the "Laughing/ Drunkenness"
movement - but also is a leading proponent of strange "Angel"
encounters (and I do mean 'strange'). Todd has openly promoted
these encounters for years - in fact he is well-known for leading
others into contact with these 'angels' too. This has been a big part
of his ministry for a very long time. And it is really no different now.

Here are a couple of extracts from Todd's 2003 article 'Angelic Hosts':

"So when I need a financial breakthrough I don't just pray and ask
God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and
become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the
angels that are assigned to getting me money: "Father, give me
the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money
and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let
them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money."

Todd continues...
"EMMA, ANGEL Of The PROPHETIC
Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice
Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in
1980: "Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?"
He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to
me. Surprised, I said, "Bob, who is Emma?" He told me that
Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic
movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type
angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a
few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in
Beulah, North Dakota.

"In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and
another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel
with open eyes, the Lord said, "Here's Emma." I'm not kidding.
She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like
Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress
and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared
beautiful and young - about 22 years old - but she was old at the
same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of
Proverbs 31 on her life. She glided into the room, emitting brilliant
light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold
out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the
church, she began putting gold dust on people... Within three
weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest
offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands
of dollars! Thousands!... During this visitation the pastor's wife (it
was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost - she
began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken
as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic
anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of
complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and
prophesying over them... Then angels started showing up in the
church." [END QUOTE]

More recently, Todd stated that in one of his "Third Heaven" trips
he literally visited the small cabin where the apostle Paul lives in
Heaven. Paul told him that he wrote the book of Hebrews with the
personal help of Abraham the Patriarch: "The authorship isn't clear
because it was Abraham and I; Abraham shared the content with
me." Todd's 'Third Heaven' tales are full of such astonishing claims -
and of course, more angels. (See 'A Face To Face Encounter -
Part 2 of 2' - By Todd Bentley).

Lest anyone think that Todd may have changed his ways in recent
times, you should know that he is constantly mentioning his
'angels' in the current Florida meetings also. For instance, watch
from about the 6-minute mark of the following video clip-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9mSCHJfnGE

In this video, Todd speaks of the angel that is going to "visit the
children" and then he begins more and more to jerk and laugh
uncontrollably. He prays that a 'drunken glory' will move across
the whole place - and you can see it happen in the audience.

This is all the same kind of stuff that Todd has been involved in
for years. There is nothing new in it. In fact, both Todd and Bob
Jones credit an angel that carries the "Winds of Change" for the
current healing revival - an angel that they say is still driving it. As
one young preacher commented who has been following the
Florida meetings closely, Todd seems to talk about his "healing
angel" even more than he talks about Jesus. Yes - exactly!

We are warned explicitly in Scripture that the devil "transforms
himself into an angel of light", and that in the Last Days will come
'Lying signs and wonders' that will "deceive if possible the very
elect." Do we really believe that the devil is unable to perform
miracles? Have we forgotten what the Bible clearly says?

Some make the point that Todd obviously had a strong healing
gift right from the start of his ministry - so some of the healings
in Florida may be genuinely from God. Yes - I agree that this is
possible - even likely. But how can we trust anything at all
coming from this source if it has become so tainted with all this
pollution? Do we want such a man laying hands on us and
imparting "anointings" or spirits into us?

I read a report from the UK yesterday that an English preacher
has brought Todd's anointing back from Florida and now it is
manifesting in his UK meetings: "Fire, a burning sensation,
was felt all over people's bodies... There were outbursts of joy,
drunkenness and spontaneous healings throughout the meeting."

Other reports from the USA now speak of pastors having hands
layed on them to receive the "Florida anointing".

The Elijah List claims that on New Year's Eve, for 2008, God told
Bob Jones that "the third wave was coming." Todd asked Bob
what the third wave was. He said that, "Toronto was wave #1,
Pensacola was wave #2, and the third wave is the "Winds of
Change" -- this move of God. This move will be a global move,
traveling with signs and wonders all over the world! The third wave is here!"

The Florida meetings have now moved into an 8000-seat
auditorium. This "anointing" is spreading across the globe. Can
you see why I have cause for alarm, my friends?

URGENT - Please FORWARD THIS TO OTHERS.

Send feedback to- prophetic@revivalschool.com

God bless you all.

Andrew Strom.

18 posted on 05/10/2008 3:52:28 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: streetpreacher

Thanks for the post and link.


19 posted on 05/10/2008 4:53:45 PM PDT by LJayne (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because of us, not outsiders.)
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I know someone who was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer who was healed at a prayer meeting. When she went to get treatment the cancer was gone. Not a trace remained.


20 posted on 05/10/2008 7:51:50 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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