SELF-GOVERNMENT - MYSTERIES... ADAM, OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD

Journal of Discourses ^ | APRIL 9, 1852 | Mormon Prophet Brigham Young

[P-Marlowe]

This one speaks for itself.

For discussion.

Keep it Civil.

[P-Marlowe]

Since some people have been accused of quoting Mormon prophets and apostles out of context, I think it is important that whole sermons preached by these men be posted.

This is a particularly interesting sermon with a lot of Theological implications.

[Ravens70]

At the risk of sounding uncivil, you guys are killing me with the onslaught of LDS stuff lately....

[P-Marlowe]

Thank you for your post, kind sir.

Did you read the Sermon?

[Ravens70]

Yes, I did and I stand by my comment.

[P-Marlowe]

Yes, I did and I stand by my comment.

What did you think of the sermon?

Did you find it edifying?

Was it theologically challenging?

[Billthedrill]

So far it's a waste of bandwidth, IMHO. If we're going to turn this into a theological discussion thread, why don't you tell us what you think and why you posted it?

I'm honestly not against this sort of topic, I even enjoy it, but lately all we've gotten is people posting text and demanding that other people discuss it. What are you trying to get across by it? Please?

[Ravens70]

I am currently in “thraldom” (?)....sounds a lot like an Obama speech...

[gogov]

Do you honestly believe anyone is going to read what you wrote. Are you serious? And with a screaming ALL CAPS headline no less.

[gogov]

This is a particularly interesting sermon with a lot of Theological implications.

Post it somewhere else. Not here.

[P-Marlowe]

So far it's a waste of bandwidth, IMHO. If we're going to turn this into a theological discussion thread, why don't you tell us what you think and why you posted it?

I did. See post #2.

I'm honestly not against this sort of topic, I even enjoy it, but lately all we've gotten is people posting text and demanding that other people discuss it.

I don't DEMAND that anyone read anything. I posted this sermon and opened it up to discussion. That is what people do on the Religion Forum. What was it about this sermon that got your dander up?

Did you read the sermon? Not that I want you to do anything you don't want to do. This is FREE Republic, you know. You are free to read what people post and comment or you are free to simply ignore it and find something more interesting.

[P-Marlowe]

Post it somewhere else. Not here.

What is it about this sermon that makes you so violently opposed to it being posted here on Free Republic?

Was it something the Prophet said that got you upset?

Did you even read the sermon?

[P-Marlowe]

Do you honestly believe anyone is going to read what you wrote. Are you serious? And with a screaming ALL CAPS headline no less.

Forum rules prevent me from changing the Title or the headlines. I abridged the Title, but the Title was in ALL CAPS in the original.

Did you read the sermon?

Did you find it edifying?

[Godzilla]

This is a particularly interesting sermon with a lot of Theological implications.

Adam = God
God physically 'begat' Jesus

sshhhhh, might sound like hate speech

[Billthedrill]

No, with respect, I think you're missing my point. I'm perfectly aware of what happens in the burgeoning Religion forum but I'm afraid - nothing personal, I assure you - but I'm afraid some of its inhabitants feel that it's enough simply to post a very large lump of text and say "have at it." Have at what? What aspects of this do you want to discuss?

You say it's important to consider the sermon. Why? What is there about it that you feel is important? Thousands of people are looking at this right now and most of them are scratching their heads wondering if it's worth reading the entire thing. That doubt is entirely justified if you don't help them - us - out a little.

That's really all I have to say in the matter. Good luck with your thread and have a great evening.

[LiteKeeper]

sermon with a lot of Theological implications.

sermon with a lot of theological problems!

[P-Marlowe]

You say it's important to consider the sermon. Why? What is there about it that you feel is important? Thousands of people are looking at this right now and most of them are scratching their heads wondering if it's worth reading the entire thing. That doubt is entirely justified if you don't help them - us - out a little.

Instead of trying to question me and find out what I think, Why don't you read the sermon and tell me what YOU think?

What is wrong with posting a sermon for discussion. I think over the years I have posted hundreds of sermons from preachers like Ray Stedman, Charles Spurgeon, Jacob Arminius, John Calvin; Martin Luther. I usually don't give my opinion when I post such a sermon. I don't think that is the norm here. The norm is just to post a sermon and let people give their reactions.

Then again if you don't want to read this sermon. That's fine with me. Whatever. I'm easy.

[greyfoxx39]

PING

[P-Marlowe]

sermon with a lot of theological problems!

Be nice.

This guy was a Prophet, you know.

[Godzilla]

Why? What is there about it that you feel is important? Thousands of people are looking at this right now and most of them are scratching their heads wondering if it's worth reading the entire thing.

If I may interject quickly. One of the biggest complaints of the use of quotes from prophets and apostles of the mormon church is that they are taken so far out of context that the presentation of those quotes mis-represents the teachings. As I noted a few posts earlier - in the sermon alone Young (the second prophet of mormonism) states that Adam = God and that Adam/God has a physical body (fully functional) and impregnated Mary. If this was isolated it would be one thing. However, this teaching is echoed by many other prophets and apostles. If you know other Christian teachings, you will find many other nuggets of non-Christian doctrines in this sermon. All this to say that mormons on the other threads are trying to impose their teachings here with out response - we are to be silent and condone them and call them Christian too. We feel that if non-mormons can read what their leaders really taught, fewer people will fall for it. We now return to our regularly scheduled freeping.