I Said:
Not only that, But why would God lie to you, or allow Satan to do so?
U Said:
God, obviously, allows Satan to lie ... which is what he (Satan) did in the garden with Eve.
I Said Later:
God has given Man his agency, Satan can do what he wants and can do, but God promised to answer prayers, if he allows Satan to, or can't stop Satan from doing it, then he's not God. (God can and Does answer prayers to him, so he is indeed God).
U Said Later:
God, obviously, chooses to allow Satan to lie. You will even find, in scripture, where God specifically sent (allowed) a deceiving spirit to deceive Ahab. This was allowed because Ahab wished to be deceived, ... therefore God gave him what He wished ...
I have and had no desire to be misled, God gave me the truth I asked for...
2 Kings 15:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
That's funny,
2 Kings 15:20-22 20 And Menahem exacted the money of Israel, even of all the mighty men of wealth, of each man fifty shekels of silver, to give to the king of Assyria. So the king of Assyria turned back, and stayed not there in the land. 21 ¶ And the rest of the acts of Menahem, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel? 22 And Menahem slept with his fathers; and Pekahiah his son reigned in his stead.
(princess bride quote, that word you keep using, I do not think it means what you think it means...)
U Said Later:
It is the same with all who hear and disbelieve the gospel. God allows them to be deceived (by Satan), ... in accordance with their desire.
I have no desire to be deceived yet you say I am, your logic fails...
U Said Later:
God has also said that He will send a great deception at some times in the New Testament future ... to deceive those who are willing to be so deceived ...
Yes, that deception is the Nicene creed which contains the abominable doctrine of the Trinity.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I like to give links so people don't have to go get their Bibles...
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
2 Thessalonians 2:10Recall that the Jews of Jesus' day asked Jesus for a sign that would confirm His ministry.
Jesus told the Jews that they would receive no sign ... additional to what God had already wrought among them.
You for got this one
Matt. 16: 1, 3-4
Seeking after a sign is indeed a bad thing, asking a question is a good thing, do you know what the difference is? The difference is faith those who seek a sign are saying "you're wrong, you say your right, prove it." They have no faith, however, we were commanded by Jesus to ask...
St. John 16:17-25 17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
U Said Later:
God has already revealed Himself to us that we may believe that things are as He has said. We either believe what Jesus has already brought to us (in the scriptures) ... or we allow ourselves to be deceived.
You speak as one with little to no experience with the Holy Ghost, and for that I am truly sorry, ask It was not just a suggestion.
U Said Later:
We need ... and God will send ... no additional signs.
If we don't ask, you are right, if we do, he will send the comforter with all the information we need.
The Apostles did many Signs and wonders after Jesus left, the Day of Pentecost was a day when the Holy Ghost fell upon them and many signs and wonders were seen and heard, do you deny these also?