Posted on 05/08/2008 10:54:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Well, at least you are now admitting that you were not telling the truth about Mormons worshipping another god. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I would call the racial discrimination that your God allowed against black people fair. Or comprehensible.
Just my opinion.
Pingaling
Boy, you would sure have to prove that out to me.
The U.N. is worthless as meat to an elephant.
Now this is the funniest post I've read in days.............
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are having some joint communion, then I would agree. But if you are in the trenches fighting a common enemy, what do you care about your conrade-in-arm’s manners or beliefs other than his ability to shoot before being shot and know which side he shoots for? There is a time to take religion doctrines into account but it should not govern all inter-religious relations in these perilous times.
It happens. There is a group that constantly is fighting against groups who want the U.N. to impose treaties which define human rights as completely against almost all religious beliefs. These groups duke it out in the negotiation phases, for the most part. The U.N. is useless but it has caused less harm than it might because these groups have banded together on common grounds to stop such mischief. These groups have included Muslims and Christians fighting together to oppose treaties favoring abortion, homosexuality, dissolution of parental authority, lack of rights to control education of the children and lots of other issues which are pernicious and only not now hung around our necks like the proverbial albatross because of these coalitions quietly guarding our most sacred rights. It is not publicly trumped for obvious reasons but the coalitions form as needed to oppose U.N. mischief.
Okay......
Here's some simple quotes from one of the founders of mormonism, the much honored B.Young.
Are these bashing? Are they falsehoods? Is B. Young lying?
"For unbelievers we will quote from the Scriptures - "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Again - "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God." I will now give my scripture - "Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God to reveal the holy Gospel to the children of men, and lay the foundation for gathering Israel, and building up the kingdom of God on the earth, that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist....... - B.Young
Here's one that apparently bashes you personally......
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned. - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.
I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. - JoD 1:50-51 (April 9, 1852)
The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. - JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)
I dunno...but looks like ol' B. Young was pretty good at "bashings."
You tell me counselor? Was he being a prophet then? How can we tell? How can YOU tell?
I pray daily for you and yours........
I have extremely little, if any love and respect for the U.N.
I think they have watched, and sat idly by while millions of people have died. I think they are arguably the most corrupt global entity in the history of the world.
So I'm very biased there....
Give me 4 examples...heck give me two examples of these U.N. affiliated folks or as you said "coalitions guarding our rights"?
These groups are recognized by the U.N. but they exist to keep the U.N. from enacting treaties and such that undermine the family or otherwise harm society in response to liberal NGOs. They are not “affiliated” or approved with it but rather have the right to intervene in negotiations on the same basis as, say, the National Organization of Women, another NGO. As for examples, let me look a little. I am not good at posting so I might be only able to give you a suggested link. BRB
Okay, like I said, I’m not good at this kind of thing but here is one example and really how it kind of started. The gentleman profiled in this article helps run an organization which monitors U.N. treaties and such and fights to protect traditional values, including partnering with Catholics, Muslims, Chinese, whoever shares the values being challenged. I’m looking for more examples.
RICHARD G. WILKINS: DEFENDING THE FAMILY
By Tad Walch
When an acquaintance approached BYU law professor Richard G. Wilkins in April 1996 and asked him to attend a United Nations conference in Istanbul, she told him that proposed conference language “might undermine the family, promote same-sex marriage, and further entrench abortion as the final solution to most of the world’s troubles,” Wilkins recalls.
The professor, however, was unsure just how dangerous the proposed language could be and of the practical impact U.N. policies had on local governments. Together with research assistant Bradley Roylance, Wilkins studied the issue. The results of the research were ominous.
“U.N. conference documents, although not technically binding upon participating nations, nevertheless are an important influence in shaping and solidifying the normative concepts of international law,” wrote Wilkins and Roylance in a paper on the subject. The researchers also found that such documents may have an impact on the domestic policy of nations that sign the documents, even without formal enforcement mechanisms. “Great care, therefore, is warranted in crafting the precise language incorporated into a formal conference declaration.”
Indeed, says Wilkins, “The Clinton administration has established a White House task force to implement U.N. gender-discrimination pronouncements that Congress has refused to ratify, and the Supreme Court has invoked U.N. declarations to define the contours of the Constitution.”
But the three-week Istanbul conference was scheduled during the final weeks of a local production of Fiddler on the Roof, starring Wilkins as Tevye opposite his wife Melany as Golde—25 years after the couple played the same parts on a Salt Lake City high school stage.
“I didn’t want to go,” says Wilkins, a father of four who was already disappointed by setbacks in local family-values battles. “I thought it was useless.” He was further disturbed to read the original draft of the Habitat Agenda being hammered out in Istanbul: “In different cultural, political, and social systems, various forms of the family exist.” Combined with a statement that all forms of the family are “entitled to receive comprehensive protection and support,” it was clear that legal protection was being extended to same-sex marriages. In addition, statements advocating abortion had been inserted into the document.
What was a former assistant U.S. solicitor general under Rex Lee to do? Though he had appeared more than once before the U.S. Supreme Court, Wilkins was far more comfortable in Dickens’ or Shakespeare’s plays than on the stage of international politics. Yet, he says, something kept telling him to go. So, still sporting the beard he had grown for his role as Tevye, Wilkins packed his bags and flew to Istanbul.
“I was hardly optimistic,” Wilkins reports. “I thought that, at most, by delivering a paper I might inspire some decision-maker to exercise caution before further undermining traditional social values.” He expected to give his paper and then return from the June 1996 conference to write a paper decrying the forces of social deterioration, which he had now found crashing through the U.N.
Wilkins did present his paper on the impact of language in U.N. conference documents, and his thoughts were well received, causing considerable discussion. Then he began helping Susan Roylance—the acquaintance who had spurred his involvement—and her organization, United Families International, draft and distribute proposed amendments to the Habitat Agenda. The amendments emphasized that families are essential components of any stable community and that traditional marriages and families should be fostered.
During the course of the conference, an LDS elders quorum president from Nairobi, Kenya, happened by the United Families booth. Johnson N. Mwaura was a member of an important conference committee and encouraged the organization to nominate someone to speak for families. Minutes before the deadline, a nomination was made, and Wilkins soon found himself on a list of 10 speakers slated to address the U.N. delegates drafting the Habitat Agenda. The opposition was intense as anti-family organizations tried to occupy all available slots and time. The presentation was rapidly tilting away from families when an Algerian delegate protested that there was no variety in the voices being heard. The motion was quickly seconded, and Wilkins was called to the podium to deliver a speech he had written using one text—the LDS Church First Presidency’s proclamation on the family.
“The traditional family is the necessary foundation for (international) communities,” said Wilkins, “because it is the sanctuary where women and men learn cooperation, sacrifice, love, and mutual support; it is the training ground where children learn the public virtues of responsibility, work, fair play, and social interdependence. International law and the family, therefore, are inextricably linked. Disregarding this link places both the law and families in peril.”
The speech fell on June 10, closing night for Fiddler on the Roof back in Provo. Having abdicated his role as Tevye, Wilkins was nonetheless calling for tradition. And people were listening.
Two days after the speech, the Arab delegations at the conference issued a statement saying they would not sign the Habitat Agenda if it failed to recognize religious heritage, the family as a basic unit of society, and marriage as a union between a man and woman. A day later, the G-77 nations (139 African, Asian, and Pacific Rim countries and China) made a similar statement. Both groups also said they would refuse to sign an agreement that obligated nations to provide abortion services.
By the time the conference adjourned and the Habitat Agenda had been ratified, it was a pro-family document with a paragraph defining marriage as being between a husband and wife who are equal partners. It was a staggering turnaround, which Wilkins freely attributes to spiritual influences and which has led to a mobilization of the BYU community toward active participation in the arena of international policy.
“Richard’s coup in Istanbul was being a law professor from the United States who actually was in support of the traditional family,” says Cory Leonard, director of student programs at BYU’s David M. Kennedy Center for International Studies. “People were dumbfounded. Developing countries, Islamic countries, Latin American countries all approached him and asked how to move forward.” After the conference, Leonard and the Kennedy Center joined Wilkins and the J. Reuben Clark Law School in building an Internet site about families to respond to interest from developing nations.
It soon became evident that Wilkins, Leonard, and others would be needed at subsequent U.N. conferences, where attempts would be made to subvert the advances made in the Habitat Agenda. In fact, at the Nairobi conference this spring, a resolution surfaced that urged limiting the influence of patriarchal religious organizations in developing countries. Because the resolution was an obvious threat to the mission of the LDS Church, Wilkins’ carefully tracked its progress. He stayed in the room where it would be brought to the floor until 2 a.m. on consecutive nights because he knew if he left, it would be introduced. It was never formally introduced.
“Based on the proclamation on the family, this is a very appropriate endeavor for a Church-sponsored organization to be involved in,” says Leonard, who traveled with Wilkins to Nairobi with BYU students Mike Lee, Bill Perry, and Carrie Taylor. They arrived under the flag of Family Voice, a nongovernmental organization (NGO) organized by the law school and Kennedy Center to be an international pro-family information and lobbying group.
Worldwide, NGOs are attempting to rewrite international law. “We have grown accustomed to federal lawmakers in Washington, D.C., imposing their will upon local decision makers,” Wilkins says. “Unless the current direction of the U.N. is altered, we will also become accustomed to international lawmakers having the same impact. The world is quickly approaching the point where policy set in Istanbul will play in Peoria.”
It would be folly to think Wilkins and NGO Family Voice alone could reform a bureaucracy the size of the United Nations. But Leonard says Wilkins is well-suited for the situation he’s fallen into. “Richard is Type A compulsive. An overachiever. The folklore is that he had the highest-ever GPA in BYU law school history. He was a BYU journalism undergrad, so he is an excellent writer. Richard is a fairly dramatic person. His attention to detail is impressive. He doesn’t miss a dotted i. He’s a very sincere person, a very decent human being. He’s exactly the kind of person I would hope would represent BYU at something like this.”
Wilkins attended another conference in July, this one in Geneva, Switzerland. Following the conference, he and law school dean H. Reese Hansen were scheduled to go to Romania at the behest of the Romanian president, but had to postpone it until later in the summer. “The president said, ‘Come and tell me about this,’” says BYU academic vice president Alan L. Wilkins. “’I have two goals; one, to get people back to work and two, to promote and develop the traditional family.’ As someone who has a strong commitment to blessing the Church, who can stand up and deliver a speech, who is an accomplished researcher with political insight and the skill to craft language for drafting policy, my impression is that Richard is quite uniquely suited for this. To hear him tell the schedule they keep at these conferences, they don’t get a lot of sleep. He’s mostly working on adrenalin and spiritual strength.”
Regarding his successes, Wilkins says, “If anyone would have told me that an important international conference would reaffirm the family, reject homosexual unions, and retreat significantly from former worldwide commitments to abortion, I would have called that person either an unexperienced optimist or a fool. That person, however, would have been neither. He simply would have been a person who knew that ‘with God all things are possible.’”
Here’s one more example and I’ll quit. I think it shows that organizations and governments with disparate philosophies and beliefs can cooperate in matters that concern them all. Just because you disagree with a group doesn’t mean it is your enemy in all things.
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by Samantha Singson
March 10, 2008
LifeNews.com Note: Samantha Singson writes for the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute. This article originally appeared in the pro-life group’s Friday Fax publication.
Final negotiations for the final document of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) ended as the sun rose on Saturday morning. Pro-life efforts helped keep the controversial term “sexual and reproductive health and rights” out of the main document.
The term was also kept out of the other negotiated documents, one on female genital mutilation and another on HIV/AIDs.
Non-governmental lobbyists were kept out of the main negotiating room for the two-week conference so pro-life lobbyists kept a vigil outside the negotiating rooms until 4:30 AM on Saturday. Several delegations thanked the lobbyists for remaining at the UN throughout the night.
One Latin American delegate even admitted to the group that delegates needed to be held accountable and know that their actions were being closely watched.
One lobbyist told the Friday Fax that “It’s important for these delegates to see that there is a pro-life presence here. As long as they are working on documents that could affect unborn lives, we will be here to bear witness.”
Debate over the abortion issue waged throughout the CSW.
Norway initially proposed the inclusion of the controversial term “sexual and reproductive health and rights” which has been defined by radical NGOs to include abortion. To the surprise of many observers, the European Union (EU), a bloc which normally speaks with one voice on social issues, announced that it would have a common position on the Norwegian proposal.
The governments of Poland, Ireland, Malta, the United States, El Salvador, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Kiribati and the Holy See successfully managed to keep “sexual and reproductive health and rights” out of the final version of the text, despite the vociferous calls for its inclusion by the other EU member states and a number of other states from Latin America and the Caribbean.
At one dramatic moment during negotiations on the HIV/AIDS resolution, a delegation of EU negotiators swarmed into a negotiating room and demanded the inclusion of the term. Their efforts were rebuffed.
Though “sexual and reproductive health and rights” did not make it into any of the CSW documents, a problematic reference to the International Guidelines on HIV/AIDS and Human Rights was included in a resolution on “Women, the Girl Child and HIV/AIDS.”
The Guidelines call for abortion-on-demand, the legal recognition of same-sex unions and criminal penalties for any “vilification of people who engage in same-sex relationships.” Though the government of Uganda was assured by the facilitator of the meeting that the reference to the document would be struck, the resolution was adopted by the CSW with the reference still included.
Tensions between pro-life lobbyists and UN security continued to the end of the conference.
As the Friday Fax reported last week, UN security began following and monitoring the activities of pro-life lobbyists. At one point, a UN security guard upbraided pro-lifers for talking to delegates in the hallway outside the conference room. A senior lobbyist went to UN security office and asked to see the provision forbidding lobbying delegates in the hallway. The security office could come up with nothing.
The CSW is expected to convene one final time this week to adopt the final text and officially conclude the session.
The U.N. is a corrupt, unacceptable organization...that the United States of American has ZERO business in supporting.
Enough said..........
I agree with your assessment, however it does bear watching and countering when necessary, unfortunately. Have a good evening.
If they were talking about welfare, care for the poor, and stem cell research, that would be one thing. But they were participating in a prayer service. And some were praying to the true God, and others were praying to a false one. That is like trying to mix water and oil. They are not compatible! And that is unacceptable.
Unacceptable to whom? To you? It apparently was acceptable to the Pope or to those officials at the meeting who invited them or accepted their presence. I don’t want to get into the never-ending debate about the nature of God but I think wherever religions can come together to accomplish good, they ought to do so provided they don’t compromise their beliefs.
Praying to the True God, while pretending that those along side are doing the same is hypocrisy. The Pope is but a man, and in this case, a hypocrite!
Okay, you have a right to your own opinion. I don’t share the Pope’s beliefs but I respect him and don’t consider him a hypocrite. I think he is an honorable man. I understand your point of view but don’t share it either.
you, sir, are an idiot...the pope is the vicar of Christ on earth whether or not you believe it...the geat thing about Catholocism is that it is true....you don’t have to agree, but it is still true......and, if you were baptized by whomever....you are a Catholic!!!!don’t like it, too bad...if you were baptized, you were baptized into the Christian religion....and since Catholocism is the only true Christian religion (and you know it is) YOU ARE CATHOLIC welcome home!!!
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