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To: Grig; greyfoxx39; big'ol_freeper; Saundra Duffy; restornu; Lilllabettt; fproy2222; EverOnward; ...
What's the partial up-front title of this: The Great Apostasy... considered in the light of Scriptural...

Well, here's the "Not-so-Great Apostasy...RE-Considered in the light of a True Scriptural Review" (Using the same Scripture passages that this joke of an LDS "apostle" used)

Amos 8: 11-12 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Talmage says: this is a prediction when there should be no Church of Christ to be found What? First of all, the OT doesn’t even use the word “church” (Mormon ignorance coming out full-scale). Secondly, what? This is a claim of the Bible totally disappeared from the earth, too?

Isaiah 24: 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the cordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Did you happen to notice those last three words? (few men left). Few men left of what? (Habitants of earth, it says in v. 6). Beyond that, you should quote it in context starting with v. 1, where it says the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste…and scattered abroad the inhabitants thereof. In v. 4, it says The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth an dfadeth away… (Clearly Isaiah is talking about the entirety of the earth and all its inhabitants, not just God’s people in the church) [Talk about a pathetic attempt to indict the historic Church!]

BTW, I notice in LDS lists it "conveniently" skips over the OT passage of Daniel 2:44 (And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed...it will stand for ever.") and though Grig’s thread selection article cites Heb. 13:20, this LDS “apostle” conveniently skips over Hebrews 12:28 (Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved...). God's Kingdom delivered will stand for ever...it can't be shaken.

Talmage went on and added the normal lineup of passages on “apostasy” in the LDS KJV or Quad.

Matt. 24: 5 saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

OK, doesn’t an LDS “apostle” know the difference between the words “many” and “all?”

Matt. 24: 24 shall arise false Christs, and false prophets.

Yes, so? It doesn’t say all of the prophets at that point will be “false” ones, does it?

Acts 20: 29 shall grievous wolves enter in among you.

I agree with this passage. Where does it say that these wolves would devour everyone in sight?

2 Thess. 2:3-4 In addressing the Thessalonian saints, Paul warns them against the error strongly advocated by some that the day of Christ's second advent was then near at hand.

So? Of course, some errorists and misguided folks cropped into the early church. Even Talmage says this applies only the “Thessalonian saints.” For those who think this applied to 18th & 19th century Christians (or before), note what the Joseph Smith supposedly “inspired” version (JST) says: “That man of sin…the son of perdition…exalteth himself above all…showing himself that he is God.” (2 Th. 2:4) [Any Mormon care to tell us who that is & when he has appeared in history? Ah, I thought not]

1 Tim. 4: 1 giving heed to seducing spirits.

And this verse says "some"--which you left out. (Wanna explain why ALL LDS always leave out "some" when summarizing this verse? Why do Mormons ignore this express communication of the Holy Ghost? Why do they continue to misrepresent what the Holy Ghost says in an intentional deceptive manner?

2 Tim. 3: 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power.

While Talmage references the entirety of the context (vv. 1-6), he then turns around and ignores it: 2 Tim. 3:6 says they have crept into “houses”!!!! (not the church!!!) 2 Tim. 3:1-2 says this is true of "last days...people." These "people" inhabit every structure: Homes, offices, churches of every stripe. But that doesn't mean they are primarily concentrated in Christian churches, now does it? (In fact, “church” or “church leaders” or “Christians” or “members” or anything like that isn’t even mentioned in these 6 verses!). So why are Mormons repeating the error of JoeSmith and offending all of us by applying this to being overly unbalanced re: our churches?

Talmage twists & distorts typical of LDS “apostles”: …here we find the Church sinking to the degraded level of a human institution, with plan of organization and mode of operation foreign to the constitution of the original, without priesthood or authority to officiate in spiritual ordinances, and devoid of the gifts and graces with which the Savior endowed His Church at the time of its establishment. In short, we find the Church itself apostate, boasting of temporal power, making its own laws, teaching its own dogmas, preserving only a form of godliness…

2 Tim. 4: 4 turn away their ears from the truth . . . unto fables.

At last, Talmage finally hits upon a serious widespread prob in the church. The prob, tho, is "id'd" in v. 3: "men will not put up w/sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great # of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." The main problem id'd here is grassroots' "itching ears" and not top-down authoritative creedal problems.

2 Pet. 2:1 false prophets also among the people.

Talmage at least cites the context (first three verses) but then promptly ignores it: v. 2: "Many will follow their shameful ways..." "Many!" (All? Not even close)

Rev. 13: 7 to make war with the saints.

OK. Nobody disagrees that there are real "saints" opposed by the devil. It says nothing that the reality of false "saints."

Rev. 14:6-7: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of His judgment is come; and worship Him that made heaven and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water."*

In Rev. 14:6, note that word “another” before the word angel. The preceding chapters in Revelation already had a number of angels…this was simply “another.” If this was fulfilled in 1827 as the Mormons contend, then when were the events preceding Rev. 14:6 fulfilled? Also, note vv. 8-9 where other angels followed. Where were these in Mormon history? Finally Rev. 14:7 says it’s a “message of judgment”…so are Mormons saying that the Mormon gospel is a “message of judgment?”

I will say it here loud and clear: Any Mormon who believes that every and all other members of different churches are automatically and inherently apostates of the faith, are liars and proclaimers of a false gospel!

19 posted on 05/05/2008 5:20:36 PM PDT by Colofornian
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Using the same Scripture passages that this joke of an LDS "apostle" used


20 posted on 05/05/2008 6:56:22 PM PDT by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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