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To: Quix; MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; OLD REGGIE; ears_to_hear; Gamecock; ...
We are known by our fruit and thus by the words we use in the defense of our faith.

Anyone who believes that Mary is "a co-redeemer" and a "dispensatrix of all grace" and "redeems Christ's flock with Him," and that a priest is "another Christ" is clearly preaching another Gospel.

Perhaps that's why Rome marginalizes the word of God since it works contrary to Scripture while not wanting to be considered as the apostate church it is.

Thus who really cares if Rome denies the work of the Holy Spirit to make the truth of the Bible known to us, thereby ignoring the word of God?

As MarkBSnr wrote last night -- "...what Scripture is. It is what we wrote as an accompanying manual for the teachings of the Church."

As the hubris of Rome grows, it becomes easier to show exactly where Rome errs.

244 posted on 05/04/2008 11:06:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...Rome marginalizes the word of God...

False.

246 posted on 05/04/2008 11:07:49 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Enough. The priest is not another Christ.

Alter Christus is this:

This is what the priest represents at the Mass:

THE MASS OF THE CATECHUMENS
1. Introibo ad altare Dei

The priest going to the foot of the altar represents Christ going to Mount Olivet.
2. Judica me, Deus...
The priest commencing the Holy Mass represents Christ beginning to pray in the Garden.
3. Confiteor Deo...
The priest saying the Confiteor represents Christ falling down and sweating blood at Mt. Olivet.
4. Oramus Te, Domine, per merita Sanctorum Tuorum
The priest going up and kissing the altar, after praying Aufer a nobis..., represents Christ being betrayed by Judas with a kiss.
5. Oremus
The priest going to the Epistle side represents Christ being captured, bound and taken to Annas.
6. The INTROIT
The priest reading the Introit represents Christ being falsely accused by Annas and blasphemed.
7. Kyrie Eleison
The priest going to the middle of the altar and saying the Kyrie eleison represents Christ being brought to Caiphas and these three times denied by Peter.
8. Dominus vobiscum
The priest saying the Dominus vobiscum represents Christ looking at Peter and converting him.
9. The EPISTLE
The priest reading the Epistle represents Christ being brought to Pilate.
10. Munda cor meum
The priest saying the Munda cor meum represents Christ being taken to Herod and mocked.
11. The GOSPEL
The priest reading the Gospel represents Christ being taken to Pilate and again mocked.

THE MASS OF THE FAITHFUL
OFFERTORY and CANON OF THE MASS
12. The OFFERTORY

The priest uncovering the chalice represents Christ being shamefully exposed.
13. Suscipe and Offerimus...
The priest offering bread and wine represents Christ being cruelly scourged.
14. In spiritu humilitatis...
The priest covering the chalice represents Christ being crowned with thorns.
15. Lavabo...
The priest washing his hands represents Christ being declared innocent by Pilate.
16. Orate Fratres
The priest saying the Orate Fratres represents Christ being shown by Pilate to the people with the words “Ecce Homo.”
17. The SECRET
The priest praying in a low voice represents Christ being mocked and spit upon.
18. The PREFACE and Sanctus
The priest saying the Preface and the Sanctus represents Christ being preferred instead of Barrabas and condemned to crucifixion.
19. Communicantes
The priest making the memento for the living represents Christ carrying the cross to Mount Calvary.
20. CANON Prayers
The priest continuing to pray in a low voice represents Christ meeting His Mother.
21. Hanc igitur
The priest blessing the bread and wine represents Christ being nailed to the cross.
22. HOC EST ENIM CORPUS MEUM...
The priest elevating the host represents Christ being raised on the cross.
23. HIC EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI...
The priest elevating the chalice represents Christ shedding blood from the five wounds.
24. Memento
The priest praying in a low voice represents Christ seeing His afflicted Mother at the foot of the cross.
25. Nobis quoque peccatoribus
The priest saying aloud the words Nobis quoque peccatoribus represents Christ praying on the cross for men.

COMMUNION and THANKSGIVING
26. Pater Noster

The priest saying aloud the the Pater Noster represents Christ saying the seven words on the cross.
27. Fraction of the Host
The priest breaking and separating the host represents Christ giving up His spirit.
28. Haec commixtio...
The priest letting a portion of the host fall into the chalice represents His soul going to Limbo.
29. Agnus Dei...
The priest saying the Agnus Dei represents Christ being acknowledged on the cross as the Son of God by many bystanders.
30. HOLY COMMUNION
The priest administering Holy Communion represents Christ being laid in the sepulchre with the white linen over the communion railing representing the pure shroud.
31. Cleansing the Chalice
The priest cleansing the chalice represents Christ being anointed by pure women.
32. Preparing the Chalice
The priest preparing the chalice again represents Christ rising from the dead.
33. Dominus vobiscum...
The priest saying the Dominus vobiscum represents Christ appearing to His mother and the disciples.
34. POSTCOMMUNION
The priest saying the last prayers in the Postcommunion represents Christ teaching for forty days.
35. Dominus vobiscum
The priest saying the Dominus vobiscum just before the Ite Missa est represents Christ taking leave of His disciples with His final words in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John to “Feed My sheep” and ascending into Heaven.
36. Ite Missa est and FINAL BLESSING
The priest saying the Ite Missa est blessing represents Christ sending down the Holy Ghost on Pentecost Sunday.
37. LAST GOSPEL

The priest is not “another Christ”

This is the liturgy and this is what he represents.


252 posted on 05/04/2008 11:13:56 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

As the hubris of Rome grows, it becomes easier to show exactly where Rome errs.

INDEED.

However, they can’t help themselves . . . they continue to provide great foils for helping folks at least be aware of some of the probabilities ahead.


254 posted on 05/04/2008 11:15:18 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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