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To: Titanites
It is very fair, and true. Look at all the conflicting doctrine regarding salvation among the various Protestant denominations. The Holy Spirit isn't in conflict with the truth.

I do not see conflict wrt salvation within the Protestant denominations. Perhaps you could be more specific.

Reform, yes. But the Reformation wasn't about reform, it was about starting separate churches, with each adherring to its own traditions of man, based on their individual interpretations (and sometimes manipulations) of Scripture.

I don't deny that result, but that was not the intent. the protest was for just cause.

If you admit to a need for reform, what steps have the RCC taken to address the cause of the rebellion, and the ongoing disparity?

1,591 posted on 05/07/2008 10:10:30 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
IS this a private game, or can anybody play?

If you admit to a need for reform, what steps have the RCC taken to address the cause of the rebellion, and the ongoing disparity?

I don't know nothin' about no disparity and would be grateful for more details and all. But as for Reform. Oh my goodness!

Following in the steps of St. Peter, the oaf, we frequently get a hold of the wrong end of the stick, but Pope St. Pius V kind of kicked some ecclesiastical butt (and allegedly tried to clean up Rome a little, too). While there are always setbacks and there is always corruption, my impression is that the level of scholarship and piety among Popes has, in the main, been on the rise since Pius V.

When you have what is more of a HUGE extended family, than the dictatorship we are depicted as being, there is always some weird guy somewhere - or even a bunch of weird guys doing stuff that the rest of us question. It blows my mind that the expectation (whether justified or not I do not know) among the migrant workers I have encountered is that the church is gong to charge fees for things like Baptism and Marriage. That suggests to me that there may be some bad stuff going on in Central America.

I hear the Philippine dioceses can be kind of rugged. But the Filipinos I met and work with in Church are fun and good folks.

In the 14+ years that I;ve been worsipping in the RCC the vast predominance of the preacing is what I'd call "Evangelical" in the sense that it is more and more often a proclamation of the Love of God in Jesus than a moral exhortation or an urging for folks to "Pay, Pray and Obey."

If my answer is totally irrelevant, please excuse me.

1,594 posted on 05/07/2008 10:24:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: roamer_1
I do not see conflict wrt salvation within the Protestant denominations. Perhaps you could be more specific.

Surely you know that that some Protestants believe there are people predestined for hell while others believe in free will; some believe you must be baptised to be saved while others believe baptism is only symbolic; some believe you must only believe while others believe you must also live your faith; some say you can sin boldly, etc.

I don't deny that result, but that was not the intent.

Not the intent? So, Martin Luther accidentally started his own church. Jean Cauvin accidentally started his?

1,645 posted on 05/07/2008 11:36:50 AM PDT by Titanites
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