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To: rollo tomasi
Did Mary have 12 stars around her head and a big star in the middle (Sometimes shown)? If so that represents common image of her deriving from Rev. 12.

I honestly don't remember that detail Rollo since it was 5 years ago. As to Rev. 12 and the woman with the stars around her head (12 stars signifying the 12 tribes of Israel) does not specifically refer to Mary, its referring to the Nation of Israel, for out of Israel comes the Messiah.

"The woman symbolized ISRAEL, as indicated by Genesis 37:9-11, where the sun and the moon referred to Jacob and Rachel, Joseph's parents. The stars in the woman's crown clearly related to the 12 sons of Jacob and identified the woman as Israel fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant. J.B. Smith cites Isaiah 60:1-3, 20 as proof that the sun refers to Israel's future glory ("A Revelation of Jesus Christ" p. 182). Many commentaries are so intent on attempting to identify Israel as the church that they ignore these plain indications that is woman is ISRAEL. Robert H. Mounce, for instance, makes the woman 'the messianic community, the ideal Israel...(Rev. 12:17). The people of God are one throughout all redemptive history...While there is a unity of the people of God, this does not wipe out dispensational and racial distinctions. The symbolism, while NOT referring specifically to Mary, the mother of Christ, points to Israel as the source of Jesus Christ. Wicked women are sometimes used to represent false religions, as in the case of Jezebel...the apostate church of the end time as a prostitute (Rev. 17:1-7, 15, 18), and Israel as the unfaithful wife of Yahweh (Hosea 2:2-13). The church by contrast is pictured as the virgin bride (2 Cor. 11:2), the Lamb's wife (Rev. 19:7)....while in some sense this may be fulfilled in the birth of Christ to the Virgin Mary, the context seems to refer to the emerging nation of ISRAEL in its suffering prior to the second coming of Christ. This is further supported by the verses which follow." (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament Edition, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p958-959).

But if you want to use a Revelation analogy this blasphemous worship of Mary the RCC is engaged in (and I don't care how loudly you scream, "NO WE DON'T" the evidence is there that you do!) has more to do with the woman who rides the Beast in Revelation 17 'The Mother of Harlots' who is 'drunk with the blood of the saints' and I'm reminded of all the saints down through history the RCC has had burned at the stake. And stars or no stars, or whatever your view of Rev. 12 IS or ISN'T doesn't change the reality of her PROMINENT position on that altar above Christ. I recognize worship when I see it and WHO the object of that worship IS.

1,371 posted on 05/07/2008 5:33:02 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
...this blasphemous worship of Mary the RCC is engaged in...

You are bearing false witness.

1,372 posted on 05/07/2008 5:36:23 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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