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To: SoothingDave
What about the unborn? Do they sin? What sin do you imagine a one minute old baby to have committed? Please be speciic.

I don't know. I have never claimed to know. The Bible says that the curse has given us a sinful nature- not a propensity for sin, but sinful by default.

I don't know where that line is drawn, but then, neither do you. I am satisfied to rely upon the Scripture, and it says in no uncertain terms that ALL have sinned. It is pretty hard to parse that in any way.

See #1216

1,234 posted on 05/06/2008 5:39:23 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

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1,245 posted on 05/06/2008 5:56:54 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: roamer_1
I am satisfied to rely upon the Scripture, and it says in no uncertain terms that ALL have sinned.

I find it comical that Catholics will claim that God gave them the ability to reason, logical thought and common sense, and then they can use this reasoning to call God a liar...Correct God's mistakes by using the reasoning God gave them...What a hoot...

The Bible says that the curse has given us a sinful nature- not a propensity for sin, but sinful by default.

Not exactly...We do have a propensity for sin...Babies are not born righteous...Babies have no desire to be obedient to the will of God...Babies are born with a sinful nature...A propensity to sin...

Do we know how that works???
Not necessarily...
Are we supposed to know how that works...
If God thought it was necessary, He would have told us...And maybe He did tell us if we spend enough time in the scripture to find out...

But God said it's so...What human being would dare say it's not...

To call God a liar to justify Mary being sinless is certainly not something I would mess with...

Even their Catholic Jerome had far better sense than that...

1,309 posted on 05/06/2008 9:27:33 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: roamer_1

Babies are innocent so they don’t have a knowledge of sin. I can’t imagine a God who would send a baby to hell, can you?


1,780 posted on 05/07/2008 10:08:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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