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To: Uncle Chip; NYer
The Church Fathers must have found it because they quote voluminously from the scriptures and in most cases verbatim. They all believed them to be authoritative -- solely authoritative.

"I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so."
St. Augustine of Hippo (Church Father), Against the letter of Mani, 5, 6, 397 A.D.

110 posted on 05/04/2008 6:09:21 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
"I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so." St. Augustine of Hippo (Church Father), Against the letter of Mani, 5, 6, 397 A.D.

Your quote proves the point. Even in this well-worn quote, Augustine admits that his faith was "in the Gospel" not the Catholic Church -- which was merely an "influence". In matters of importance, he deferred to the writings of the apostles --

119 posted on 05/04/2008 6:25:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Titanites
"I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so."

St. Augustine of Hippo (Church Father), Against the letter of Mani, 5, 6, 397 A.D.

So What??? Origen didn't believe much of any of the scripture...He convinced your magisterium that it all meant something other than what it says...Unfortunately, the great 'thinker' couldn't figure out the real meaning of what he was reading...

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures,

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Apparently Origen didn't waste time conferring with Jesus when he rejected most of the scripture...

As I understand it, Einstein made the claim that he can't believe in a god who isn't a mathematical equation...So what??? Lots of heretics and apostates out there who are atheist as well as religious...

146 posted on 05/04/2008 8:44:59 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Titanites; Alamo-Girl; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; ...
"I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so." St. Augustine of Hippo (Church Father), Against the letter of Mani, 5, 6, 397 A.D.

Obviously, Holy Spirit was insufficient.

Or perhaps the good 'father' had told Holy Spirit to take a hike?

Or perhaps the head-dress, mitre?, crown?, had too much fur in the regions of his ears?

Or perhaps he thought the fossilizing edifice tickled ears much more charmingly than Holy Spirit's truth speaking?

What an blasphemously insulting travesty upon Holy Spirit's person and Role.

167 posted on 05/04/2008 9:51:15 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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