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To: conservativegramma; papertyger

Has it escaped your attention that much of the New Testament was written AFTER Paul was martyred? This is a FACT which is universally agreed upon.


1,005 posted on 05/06/2008 11:46:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; fortheDeclaration; Grunthor; Iscool; Gamecock; HarleyD; ...
Has it escaped your attention that much of the New Testament was written AFTER Paul was martyred? This is a FACT which is universally agreed upon.

Considering that Paul wrote MOST of the NT . . .

That must have been some trick!

Unless, of course, Paul's corpse engaged in "automatic writing" . . . akin to

Magnificent Magical Earth-Mother Mary's:

--fantasized Immaculate Conception;
--fantasized bodily ascension;
--fantasized childlessness post Jesus' birth;
--fantasized galactic cluster worth of concocted "GRACES" built on the toothpick of "full of grace;"
--fantasized apparitional appearances of the caricature;
--fantasized miraculous images;
--fantasized intercessions;
-- . . .

Evidently the "universally agreed upon" phrase is out of the RC edifice's magicsterical's rubber dictionary.

1,022 posted on 05/06/2008 12:40:15 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: wagglebee
Has it escaped your attention that much of the New Testament was written AFTER Paul was martyred? This is a FACT which is universally agreed upon.

Universally agreed upon by WHOM? Paul was martyred 64 A.D. so let’s check your ‘assertion’ out shall we??? Dates When New Testament Books Were Written with Source Citations.

Books written before:

Mark - Mark was most likely written sometime in the early 50's or late forties.

Luke - it could not have been completed any later than the early 60's or late 50's.

Acts - The books of Luke and Acts are one continous narrative, Acts is essentially volume 2 of the book of Luke. Since the book of Acts ends with Pauls's first stay in prison in Rome, with no date set for his trial, and the persecutions of Christians by Nero (A.D. 64) not having yet taken place, it could not have been written any later than A.D. 63.

Romans - Paul wrote the letter to the Romans during his three month stay in Greece in A.D. 57.

I Corinthians - Corthinthians was written by Paul while he was in Ephesus during his third missionary journey near the end of his stay in Ephesus in the year A.D. 55.

II Corinthians - The date this letter was written is approximately A.D. 55.

Galatians – Most likely date A.D. 48

Ephesians - These four letters were written by Paul while he was in prison in Rome during the years A.D. 60-62.

Phillippians - These four letters were written by Paul while he was in prison in Rome during the years A.D. 60-62.

Colossians - These four letters were written by Paul while he was in prison in Rome during the years A.D. 60-62.

I Thessalonians - Written during Paul's second mission journey while he was in Corinth, a short time after leaving Thessanolica -- A.D. 50 or 51.

II Thessalonians - Written during Paul's second mission journey while he was in Corinth, a short time after writing 1 Thessanolians -- A.D. 50 or 51.

Philemon - These four letters were written by Paul while he was in prison in Rome during the years A.D. 60-62.

Titus - Written between Paul's release from a Roman prison in A.D. 62 and his re-imprisonmet and martyrdom in A.D. 64.

I Timothy - Written between Paul's release from prison in A.D. 62 and his re-imprisonmet and martyrdom in A.D. 64.

II Timothy - Written from prison just before Paul was martyred in A.D. 64.

James - James was martyred in A.D. 62, and thus this letter had to have been written prior to then. It may have been written as early as the late 30's. However, some of the internal evidence, such as the references to "diaspora" tend to favor a later date rather than a earlier date.

Books written after:

Matthew - Common material in Matthew and Mark indicate that Matthew was written after Mark. Since Mark dates from AD 45-60 Matthew most likely was written after that. Internal evidence in Matthew indicates it was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

John - The Rylands fragment of the book of John was found in Egypt and dated to the year A.D. 135. As it would require several decades, for copying and circulation of this book, until it reached the Egyptian hinderland a date in the 90's makes sense. This agrees with the tradition dating of John by the early church, and the Apostle John's death in the late 90's.

1 Peter - Because of this letter's references to severe persecution, this letter is dated to just prior to Peter's death during the period oif Nero's persecution of Christians in A.d. 64-65.

II Peter - This letter's writter identifies himself as the writter of 1 Peter. Thus this letter is dated after 1 Peter and before Peter's martyrdom, giving it a date before A.D. 68, which is the latest date for Peter's execution.

I John - We do not know when these letters where written. Their content indicates a later date. With the latest date of John's death set at A.D. 98, it appears likely that these letters were written in the A.D. 90's.

II John – See above.

III John – See above.

Revelation - John states that he is writting Revelation while on the island of Patmos. His imprisonment there occurred near the end of his life, in the A.D. 90's. Thus a later date of A.D. 96-97 appears to be the most likely.

Questionable –

Hebrews - The author of Hebrews is unknown, although many suspect that it might be Paul. We know that Hebrews had to have been written prior to A.D. 95, because Clement of Rome cites Hebrews in his Epistle to the Corinthians. WE also know that Timothy was still alive when Hebrews was written. And it is likely that it was written prior to A.D. 70, because the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 would have been a powerful argument supporting Christ's sacrifice replacing the oferings in the temple. There is no evidence that eliminates an earlier date in the 40's. So a date anywhere within a range from A.D. 40 to 69 A.D. is possible.

Jude - We do not have a solid date for the writing of Jude. As a result there is a wide difference in opinions concerning when this book was written. Most historians agree that it was written during Jude's ministry in Palestine in the A.D. 60's to A.D. 80's.

There are 27 Books of the New Testament. We know that (see above) 17 were written before 64 A.D. and that 8 were written post 64 A.D. with 2 that could fall into either camp. Doing my math here equates to 63% of the New Testament was written before Paul’s martyrdom in 64 A.D. only 30% written after with 7% questionable. Even IF you put the questionable into the after column you would still only have 37% of the Books written post 64 A.D. Not sure where you get 'much' of it when its only 8 books out of 27 but whatever. Also not sure where you went to school that you can't do the %'s on this one to figure out that at best 37% does NOT EQUAL MUCH. Suffice it to say you’re ‘wrong’. And if you're WRONG on this, what ELSE are you wrong on?????

1,024 posted on 05/06/2008 12:43:45 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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