Protestants and Sola Scriptura

Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

[papertyger]

OMG! Bwahahahahahahaha! I haven't heard such doctrinaire superciliousness since being treated to an oral dissertation on the virtues of the King James Bible by a drunken, toothless, redneck.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

[roamer_1]

Something slightly relevant to consider are the words King David found in 2nd Samuel 12:23.

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
(e-Sword: KJV)

I don't get it. Please elaborate.

[Petronski]

My mistake. The winky-face was on the first paragraph. You certainly know that an infant cannot form intent.

[papertyger]

Collectively, Jews and Grecians

That's your problem, your trying to "read into" it when there isn't anything in the verse that demands the Jews and Grecians be treated "collectively." The first sentence speaks of preaching to Jews only, and the second sentence speaks of preaching to Greeks. Period.

The tradition may be wrong, but that's not the point. The point is you can't prove it from the Bible.

[papertyger]

I HAVE A NEW TAGLINE!

[papertyger]

The difference is what we call the “Beatific Vision.” King David didn’t get it until after Jesus “set the captives free.”

[Fichori]

Something slightly relevant to consider are the words King David found in 2nd Samuel 12:23.

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
(e-Sword: KJV)

I don't get it. Please elaborate.

My understanding is that it implies he(the son who died) had gone to heaven.

But I am just recalling from memory one of Chuck Swindoll's messages.

It is my personal belief that those who die at a young age and have not had the opportunity to, or understanding of, accepting Christ, do indeed go to Heaven.

But like I said, tricky subject.

[roamer_1]

You certainly know that an infant cannot form intent.

I would accept that in the legal sense, but not in general. I cannot gauge that capacity.

I know that my eldest son played a game with me while he was still within the womb- He would stick his foot against his mother's belly, and I would grab the foot, whereupon he would retract, all excited, according to my wife. But soon thereafter comes the foot once again, and in the very same place... over, and over again. He thought it was fun.

Now, does that exhibit an intent or not? Who can say?

[Fichori]

I am unfamiliar with such terms as “Beatific Vision”.

[Petronski]

Now, does that exhibit an intent or not? Who can say?

Scientists.

[papertyger]

I know that my eldest son played a game with me while he was still within the womb- He would stick his foot against his mother's belly, and I would grab the foot, whereupon he would retract, all excited, according to my wife. But soon thereafter comes the foot once again, and in the very same place... over, and over again. He thought it was fun.

OMG! I just got this vision of you wearing a headset with the wire plugged into your wife's navel!

[roamer_1]

LOL!

[griffin]

truth hurts sometimes, no? You deny this was/is a position of the rcc?

[papertyger]

I am unfamiliar with such terms as “Beatific Vision”.

In layman's terms, it's seeing God, face to face. It carries all manner of second and third order implications.

I have to admit though, I mistook the intent of your post. I don't think the verse quoted necessarily implies anything beyond David joining the child in death.

[papertyger]

You deny this was/is a position of the rcc?

Yes.

Your turn.

[griffin]

OM.....Goodness?....do we always use the Lord’s name in vain? Point validated. Now, go to confession.

[wagglebee]

I asked to EXPLAIN the verse, not cut and paste it.

[papertyger]

OM.....Goodness?....do we always use the Lord’s name in vain? Point validated. Now, go to confession.

Hardly...I left the theology of sitting on clouds plucking harps back in childhood.

[griffin]

I challenge your definition of bigotry. Not bigotry, meer observation. I’ve lived through 3 separate rcc periods in my life before I was rescued.

[griffin]

Bigotry!? You know what that means? My comments, as I said before, are personal observations. If the truth hurts, I’m sorry.

Do you bring your Bible to church?