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Why Evangelicals are Returning to Rome
CIC ^ | April 2008 | Bob DeWaay

Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk

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To: MarkBsnr
The Reformed on the other hand, appear to be fading.

Throughout the history of Israel the gospel ebbed and flowed. Elijah lamentated that he alone was left and they wanted to kill him. At one time the word of God was all but gone until they found it hidden in a sealed room of the temple during the rein of Josiah. Even in the history of the church, the gospel at times has decreased as well as flourished.

I wouldn't say the Reformation is fading. On the contrary Calvinism is on the rise. But whatever your take, numbers is not a true representation of the correct understanding of the gospel nor of the power of God. How many people God feel is necessary to save His elect is up to Him. But all will be saved. We don't believe in "recruitment". We believe in the power of God to change the hearts of men towards Himself, to the praise of His glory.

421 posted on 05/03/2008 6:10:27 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
As anyone who can read can see, I have not in any way questioned the WCF or denied it or said I don't believe it.

Therefore, you believe Benedict XVI is the/an antichrist.

422 posted on 05/03/2008 6:14:09 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Petronski
No one can force you to say "Yes, the WCF is right about that" or "No, I disagree with the WCF."

LOL. Then stop saying I've said I disagree with the WCF when you've been shown (and now admit) that I haven't.

For the seventh time, Ratzinger does nothing to dispel the condemnation of the WCF since he maintains he is "another Christ" and that he is "infallible," which only further displays his foul errors.

423 posted on 05/03/2008 6:14:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD

***I wouldn’t say the Reformation is fading.***

Based upon numbers I’d say it is.

***On the contrary Calvinism is on the rise. ***

A higher percentage of a deflating pie.

***But all will be saved. ***

Only those who are Judged to be saved.

***We believe in the power of God to change the hearts of men towards Himself, to the praise of His glory.***

God does not need our praise or worship. He wants us to love Him. He is the God of Love and Mercy.


424 posted on 05/03/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
You don't answer what has been asked.

Where have I not answered your question?

425 posted on 05/03/2008 6:16:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Then stop saying I've said I disagree with the WCF when you've been shown (and now admit) that I haven't.

I never said you disagree or agree with the WCF. I was seeking information.

426 posted on 05/03/2008 6:16:10 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Do you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the antiChrist?


427 posted on 05/03/2008 6:16:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
God wrote the 10 commandments on the stone for Moses; men wrote the Bible. If this is difficult for you to understand, then perhaps we can discuss it further.

Just a point of clarification. God wrote the 10 commandments but these were destroyed by Moses. Moses wrote the second set of the 10 commandments under God's command. Do you believe what Moses wrote was any different that what God wrote? Now if Anselm said there was an 11 commandment and the Church agree, would you agree that Anselm's 11 commandment was at the same level as what Moses' wrote?

428 posted on 05/03/2008 6:18:00 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: MarkBsnr


I am J.G.Machen and
I say the Pope is the antichrist.






Who?

429 posted on 05/03/2008 6:19:19 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: MarkBsnr; swmobuffalo
We freely give what we have assembled to the surly, the unrepentent, and the ungrateful.

But I thought the Roman Catholic church "wrote" the Bible.

Now they've just "assembled" it?

Down-grading our expectations, eh?

430 posted on 05/03/2008 6:20:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD

Exodus 34:

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Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with them I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
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So Moses stayed there with the LORD for forty days and forty nights, without eating any food or drinking any water, and he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

We have no Scriptural or other evidence that the NT was written in this fashion. I believe that Moses wrote as was dictated based upon these verses.

The hypothetical Anselmic 11th commandment? I put my trust in the Church of Jesus Christ to keep the doctrine pure; I don’t believe that there would be that 11th commandment.


431 posted on 05/03/2008 6:23:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; swmobuffalo; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Augustinian monk; blue-duncan; wmfights; ..
they are recruiting from the savages in Africa

Wow. Is that you, Hillary?

Or just another casual racist remark?

432 posted on 05/03/2008 6:24:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wrote and assembled.

Do you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the antiChrist?


433 posted on 05/03/2008 6:24:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Based upon numbers I’d say it is.

As God illustrated to Gideon, numbers means nothing. If you think that numbers make "right" then you may wish to become a Muslim.

Only those who are Judged to be saved.

And what is the basis of that judgment? Works that you do in the name of the Catholic Church?

God does not need our praise or worship. He wants us to love Him.

Nonsense. God doesn't want us to love Him. God wants us to glorify Him.

It is God who gives us love. We can't love God unless He has given love to Him and He certainly doesn't give us love simply so that we can love Him.
434 posted on 05/03/2008 6:26:35 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: wmfights
It's easy to see why the missionaries we support in Latin America are succeeding.

LOL. Amen! By the grace of God for His glory.

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" -- 1 Peter 3:15

435 posted on 05/03/2008 6:26:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***they are recruiting from the savages in Africa

Wow. Is that you, Hillary?

Or just another casual racist remark?***

Some more brilliant editing. Why not bring out the full post? Something to do with a lack of honesty on your part, I suspect.

Do you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the antiChrist?


436 posted on 05/03/2008 6:26:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: papertyger
The latter part of his post could just as easily have been included in the excerpt and it wouldn't have changed the meaning at all. But that's how Catholic apologists work -- they grasp onto something insignificant and blow it out of all proportion because they have no answer for what's really being discussed.

Besides, he said it was "sarcasm." lol.

437 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Bible was written and assembled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit

Ah. At last, sanity. So it is not "Bibliolatry" to believe the "Holy Spirit wrote the Bible."

May I quote you tomorrow when you change your mind?

438 posted on 05/03/2008 6:31:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD

***As God illustrated to Gideon, numbers means nothing. If you think that numbers make “right” then you may wish to become a Muslim.***

If numbers mean nothing, then perhaps the Reformers are doing well.

***And what is the basis of that judgment? ***

Jesus Christ sitting upon the Throne.

***Nonsense. God doesn’t want us to love Him.***

Ah. The negation of the Gospels by the Reformers.

Matt 22:

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“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?”
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He said to him, “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
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This is the greatest and the first commandment.
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The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

I think that a rereading of the Gospels might be in order.


439 posted on 05/03/2008 6:32:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Do you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the antiChrist?

You keep bringing up this question so let me answer if I may. According to Wikipedia the AntiChrist is defined as:

Now if the Church has declared the pope as a substitute for the intercession of prayer on behalf of the Church, then according to Wikipedia definition, at the very least, he is one-half AntiChrist. The question we need you to tell us is this true? Does the Pope substitute himself to make intercession for the Church to God? We would have to sort out whether he truly opposes Christ.
440 posted on 05/03/2008 6:34:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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