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Scientists: We've found creator's tracks
AV Press (California) ^ | 4-24-2008 | Titus Gee

Posted on 04/25/2008 11:30:50 AM PDT by lainie

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To: britt reed

It limits it to one specific God if you follow the evidence...and the Bible has more evidence to back it up than any other document in history. I tend to think you have not yet done the research or you could never reach any other conclusion. There is one God. He is the God of the Bible.


41 posted on 04/25/2008 1:44:56 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

I’m only going by the 10 Commandments. Something about, “I am the Lord, your God, you shall have no other gods before Me.”


42 posted on 04/25/2008 1:52:31 PM PDT by britt reed (What if the Founding Fathers had "just stayed home"?)
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To: Coyoteman
Given this, they are unwilling and unable to entertain any evidence, theory, or science which does not support their view of the bible. I don't think I would place much trust in their judgment in matters of science.

Given that logic, I have nothing to worry about from Dawkins either.

43 posted on 04/25/2008 1:53:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: lainie

YEC INTREP


44 posted on 04/25/2008 1:56:25 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: lainie

BeepTT


45 posted on 04/25/2008 2:01:55 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: riverdawg
The irony for Stephen Jay Gould is that Darwin was inspired by Adam Smith, specifically his The Wealth of Nations, not by Karl Marx.

Even more ironic, perhaps, is that both Gould (an open marxist) and Darwin were reported to be agnostic. In my opinion, atheism is every bit 'faith-based' as traditional religion, since one must believe, beyond a doubt, that no god exists. How can anyone possibly 'know' that to be the case.

46 posted on 04/25/2008 2:13:09 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: mnehrling

likewise


47 posted on 04/25/2008 2:16:54 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: tacticalogic
I thought it kind of ironic that in a thread on an article that links an evolutionist to a biblical research group, we get an article linking an evolutionist to Karl Marx. Are we supposed to connect those dots?

Sure. One must always consider where people of influence are coming from politically. Both the late S.J. Gould and Niles Eldredge were/are profoundly influential in the field of evolutionary biology.

48 posted on 04/25/2008 2:22:35 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left
Sure. One must always consider where people of influence are coming from politically. Both the late S.J. Gould and Niles Eldredge were/are profoundly influential in the field of evolutionary biology.

Then this biblical research group is in bed with the Marxists, by their association with an evolutionary biologist who's been influenced by Gould and Eldridge.

49 posted on 04/25/2008 2:29:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: lainie
This part of the article was left out.
"About 40% of me still has guarded hope that we will still be able to show how life evolved spontaneously according to the laws of normal physics and chemistry," he said. "I still believe, even though God appears to have specially created the first life, I still believe that I can powerfully defend … that pretty much all the rest of life still evolved."

50 posted on 04/25/2008 2:35:21 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: tacticalogic
"Sure. One must always consider where people of influence are coming from politically. Both the late S.J. Gould and Niles Eldredge were/are profoundly influential in the field of evolutionary biology."

Then this biblical research group is in bed with the Marxists, by their association with an evolutionary biologist who's been influenced by Gould and Eldredge.

Is that your conclusion? It's certainly not mine. Anyway, I posted that piece as more of an FYI item regarding two very prominent evolutionists, although Gould at least admits his ideology swayed him towards one particular model of Darwinian evolution that he and Eldredge happened to come up with.

"The close affinity between Marxism and Darwinism continues to be evident in the currently popular evolutionary speculation called 'punctuated equilibrium.' (This declares that evolution occurs by sudden lucky-leaps forward, separated by long periods of essentially no change.) Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge, who first popularized this notion, recently pointed out that: 'Hegel's dialectical laws, translated into a materialist context, have become the official "state philosophy" of many socialist nations. These laws of change are explicitly punctuational, as befits a theory of revolutionary transformation in human society. In the light of this official philosophy, it is not at all surprising that a punctuational view of speciation, much like our own, but devoid of references to synthetic evolutionary theory, has long been favored by many Russian paleontologists. It may also not be irrelevant to our personal preferences that one of us learned his Marxism, literally, at his daddy's knee'"
--Paleobiology, Vol. 3, Spring 1977 (pp. 145-146), Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould

51 posted on 04/25/2008 2:59:43 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left
Is that your conclusion? It's certainly not mine. Anyway, I posted that piece as more of an FYI item regarding two very prominent evolutionists, although Gould at least admits his ideology swayed him towards one particular model of Darwinian evolution that he and Eldredge happened to come up with.

I asked if we were supposed to connect those dots. If the two aren't related, why is the article posted in this thread?

52 posted on 04/25/2008 3:05:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Eye On The Left

Correction: Gould and Eldredge didn’t ‘come up’ with the idea of ‘punctuated equilibrium’, they were the ones who first ‘popularized’ it.


53 posted on 04/25/2008 3:06:55 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Dog Gone

*nod*


54 posted on 04/25/2008 3:09:00 PM PDT by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: tacticalogic
I asked if we were supposed to connect those dots. If the two aren't related, why is the article posted in this thread?

It was to show that possible political agendas must always be considered when evaluating various claims made by 'experts', especially those made in areas which are too complex for most of us to fully understand, such as 'evolutionary biology'. So instead we rely on 'faith' that they are telling us the truth or, rather, the whole truth.

55 posted on 04/25/2008 3:35:17 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left
It was to show that possible political agendas must always be considered when evaluating various claims made by 'experts', especially those made in areas which are too complex for most of us to fully understand, such as 'evolutionary biology'. So instead we rely on 'faith' that they are telling us the truth or, rather, the whole truth.

How about the possible political agenda of the biblical research group? Doesn't that need to be considered, too? Particularly in light of them having this suspicious evolutionary biologist in their midst?

56 posted on 04/25/2008 3:46:13 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: britt reed
“Ummm, sorry, but no. Even the Judeo-Christian God asserts the existence of other gods/pantheons but limits His followers to one specific God, Him. That does not preclude the existence of other gods.”

I guess you've never read the Bible...

Isa 45:5 “I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me;

This claim is repeated frequently in the Bible and is fundamental to both Judaism and Christianity. The Judeo-Christian view is call “monotheistic” for a reason.

57 posted on 04/25/2008 3:50:31 PM PDT by hebel
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To: Eye On The Left
“The close affinity between Marxism and Darwinism continues to be evident in the currently popular evolutionary speculation called ‘punctuated equilibrium.”

I'm not an expert on Communist theory, but I understand that Mao raised objections to Marx's dialectal theory of history because of the teleology implied in it. I think Mao argued for a more random view of history than Marx, while Marx's conviction that history moves inexorably towards a pure proletarian state hinted too much at ID.

58 posted on 04/25/2008 3:56:12 PM PDT by hebel
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To: tacticalogic
How about the possible political agenda of the biblical research group? Doesn't that need to be considered, too?

That's the 'dot connection' you were asking about, although, in his case (the evolutionary biologist who worked with the group), it doesn't neccessarily mean he is now more inclined to believe in one particular religion or another, but rather that he may now find it more conceivable that SOME sort of creative force or 'intelligence' is behind things. I actually didn't read the article yet, but will now.

59 posted on 04/25/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: allmendream

It’s not helped with movies like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay678


60 posted on 04/25/2008 4:00:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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