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To: D-fendr

“Morally good” is a concept (meme) that provides survival advantage. Natural selection, or survival doesn’t contain value judgement. In other words “morally good” isn’t good or bad in an objective sense. It is just useful.


30 posted on 04/25/2008 12:15:57 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton
“Morally good” is a concept (meme) that provides survival advantage.

Thanks, that's much clearer way to put your position.

It does divorce the meaning of "good" from moral. In other words if "immoral" (or bad morals) provides survival advantage, then morally bad in our view is morally good in evolution.

Another way of putting it is we are hardwired to think what we think is "good" is "good". But this doesn't mean it's good. Had "bad" survived, "bad would be "good."

Now, can you see why some would say that evolution applied to philosophy or religion is relativistic or devoid of morality?

Or as you put it: "doesn’t contain value judgement. "

True moral values, if they are to exist for man, must come from something transcending science.

32 posted on 04/25/2008 12:24:08 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Soliton

I should make clear that “we are hardwired to think what we think is “good” is “good”. is the pure scientism way of seeing; not one agree with. And I think not one that you agree with. Unless you think your morality is an illusion. :)


34 posted on 04/25/2008 12:26:42 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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