[DeLaVerdad]

“I thought we were all supposed to pretend ID has no connection to religion.”

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You’re right - that seems to be the premise. But I’m not pretending anything - “Intelligent Design” says that God is Intelligent (which He is) and that God is the Designer. I’m not giving credit or credence to a term that leaves Him out of the equation. Sorry, but if the framers were still here they could tell you that church and state were intended to be united and not divided. Even our money still says “In God we Trust?” In order to believe ID or “Creationism” you really have to believe that scripture is truth or written by God through men. If you can’t believe that then you will never believe in ID. I believe Science and God are totally compatible and that he’s the most amazing genius scientist there is. We were given an intellect and should use it to consider higher truths and not debased theories that are more ridiculous and unscientific than one could imagine. No matter what anyone says, this issue is about believing in God or being an atheist.

Read Job chapter 38 (here’s a bit of it - 1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said, 2 “Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 “Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me! 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell {Me,} if you have understanding, 5 Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? 6 “On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, ... keep reading)

[allmendream]

The “Designer” posited by the “Intelligent Design” philosophy is a rank incompetent, not “intelligent” enough to design a system that was self-sufficient, the “designer” has to intercede to keep things running according to plan.

[Coyoteman]

But I’m not pretending anything - “Intelligent Design” says that God is Intelligent (which He is) and that God is the Designer. I’m not giving credit or credence to a term that leaves Him out of the equation.

I see you didn't get the memo.

Intelligent design is pretending that it is science, and that the designer could be space aliens or whatever. IDers are deliberately not saying that their "designer" is actually the fundamentalist interpretation of the Christian deity, even though it is clear that is what they really believe.

This dodge is necessary to get ID into schools to replace creation "science" which was removed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Edwards decision in the late 1980s.

So, you are really not supposed to admit that "God is Intelligent and that God is the Designer" because you blow the cover for those still trying to pretend that ID is science.

[Ken H]

Sorry, but if the framers were still here they could tell you that church and state were intended to be united and not divided.

James Madison:

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.

James Madison, Detached Memoranda ca. 1817
W. & M. Q., 3d ser., 3:554--60 1946

--http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html