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To: CTrent1564
Dear CTrent1564,

“Under this view, a Bishop can’t ordain someone against the ‘doctrine of Rome’,...”

This isn't as strange as it sounds, not even to Scholastic ears.

Archbishop Milingo, in accepting the authority of the Rev. Moon, became an apostate, as he more or less abandoned the communion of the Church for a non-Christian, pagan religion.

Were he to try to ordain priests or to consecrate bishops, he would no longer be intending to do what the Church does, which is to ordain priests who, in part, will offer the sacrifice of the Mass, and provide absolution to penitent sinners. Once you move over to something like the Unification Church, the very doctrines of the Mass and absolution of sin lose all meaning.

Thus, it isn't that he no longer has the intrinsic capacity to ordain priests or consecrate bishops, but rather that he can no longer intend what the Church does in the sacrament of Holy Orders, because the sacraments are meaningless in his new religious beliefs.

At least, that's how it looks to me.


sitetest

32 posted on 04/25/2008 6:01:14 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

***he would no longer be intending to do what the Church does***

This is consistent with the reasoning behind the declaration that Anglican orders are invalid - that those ordaining and being ordained did NOT intend to do what the Church does. “Doing what the Church does” implies that the one doing believes all that the Church teaches and intends to be obedient, which in the case of Anglican orders they did not believe all that the Church teaches, and in the case of Archbishop Milingo he was totally disobedient.


33 posted on 04/25/2008 8:41:33 AM PDT by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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To: sitetest; livius

I should have posed I was taught by Dominican Sisters and was raised in a Dominican parish and thus have a strong respect fot Thomism and St. Thomas Aquinas.

Good thread all the way around.

God BLess


37 posted on 04/25/2008 4:45:00 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: sitetest

Nice analysis you provided their as you are correct, the fact that he was ordaining priests for the Moonies is defacto not what his consecration as Bishop was for, which is to shepherd a Catholic Diocese in Communion with the Bishop of Rome and ordain men for Holy Orders to administer the sacraments and preach the gospel to the Catholic faithful intrusted into his care.

Still, this “Bound Theory” proposed by St. Augustine has som interesting implications for any situation where a Bishop is about to go into schism and ordain priests for the schimatic group, while at the same time maintaining all other essentials of the Catholic Faith. The Church can remove the Bishop from his Episcopal Consecration for as the article states, nothing as changed, in terms of the Grace given to the man being ordained into the priesthood which gives in the power to act “in persona Christi” , once that same Priest is later made a Bishop. In other words, a priest has all the Grace and power from Christ to administer all the sacraments when he is ordained a priest, no new Grace is given when made a Bishop.


40 posted on 04/25/2008 9:14:30 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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