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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry; Old Mountain man
There must be one called Angry Old Mormon Men or Mad Old Mormon Men. I believe there is a chapter called Horny Old Mormon Men in Colorado City....HMMMMMM. Seems Jeffs liked the little boys too.

Old Mountain Man - this might be time for one of your deep, introspective, sensitive, patented Freep Mail "conversations."

28 posted on 04/19/2008 4:16:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: SkyPilot

Our son was on a Spanish speaking mission in New Jersey. We went to pick him up; stayed at the Holiday Inn in Edison and went over to his apartment in Perth Amboy. (Wow) After his release, he said, “Mom and Dad, I hope you will not be offended but I am now leaving the church”. We had already left by then but as a BYU’er he decided to go on a mission. What a beautiful place NJ is.

Our daughter is a Jazz singer in New York.
You can see her at the Total Wine Bar in Brooklyn on Thursday nights and sometimes at Birdland in NYC on Monday nights. http://www.angelabingham.com/

Next time you are in Southern Utah, please come to see us. Check out the home page.

We try very hard to be direct and honest about our point of view. I notice you do too.

Thanks,

UB


33 posted on 04/19/2008 6:22:46 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: SkyPilot

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


41 posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:44 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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