Posted on 04/15/2008 11:26:25 AM PDT by marshmallow
I said, "That's great but nobody knows what God really looks like."
She replied, "They will when I'm done!"
Oh, no. In fact, I'm skeptical about them, too ... and the Church (institutionally) largely ignores them as unworthy of attention.
No, I was referring to the "late unpleasantness" of about 1000 years ago ... a bit of unfinished business that we really need to resolve.
That’s the way the man (and anyone else who took a message about Our Lord) wants to see it.
Geez oh Pete, I always knew you were a toughie, but to get on a guy who’s wife has terminal cancer, that takes a special kind.
Really special.
Carolyn
Er - nobody can make the Lord Jesus feel or be guilty. He is the perfect One, the obedient Son, without guilt or shame. Praise be unto the Lord alone, for worthy is the Lamb of God - and none other.
Just another soul that needs to be saved by the grace of God.
“Which century are you stuck in?”
I was responding to a claim that the pope and his successors have been the infallible leaders of Christendom and kept “the church” without error. My statement was applicable to the argument.
LOL!
Honestly, my FRiend, I don’t feel a need to take any more time to convince posters that smacking down other Christians is not really a “WWJD” moment.
I’d prefer to sit back and let people have the relationship with Our Lord that they choose. And let Him sort it out in the end.
I have an Evangelical SIL that I was terrified to meet because I thought for sure that she would lecture me. When I met her, I saw Our Lord in her. I told her of my fears and she laughed.
“As long as you have a good relationship with Jesus, who am I to judge.”
Lord Love her.
I don't think so, Alex.
The dogmatic statements have come almost entirely from those who have decreed that this is indisputably not an image of Jesus.
Those arguing against this proposition are not necessarily arguing that this is indeed a supernatural image. We're simply saying "how do you know it isn't?" and "why be so dogmatic about it?"
It's not like we're debating a basic dogma of Christianity. We're allowed to disagree over whether certain events, whether they be cures, apparitions or images, are miraculous or not.
Yes, but am I?
“No, I was referring to the “late unpleasantness” of about 1000 years ago ... a bit of unfinished business that we really need to resolve.”
Good. As for the unfinished business, people somewhat above our pay grade seem to be making excellent progress on that hoped for resolution. In fact, I understand that you Latins are about to stop crossing yourselves backwards! :)
Imagine getting a “Get Well” card from someone, to me that image was a Get Well card that helped me feel a little better - nothing more, nothing less. It helped my ex-wife and my daughter have hope for another day. And if I can give my daughter another day with her mom, then the image that brought comfort, did its job. I was more of a skeptic when I first saw it, but when I saw how it made people feel in the short time it appeared, in a hospital that needed to give people hope, then I questioned it no more. No major crowds gathered, no money was made from it and we all continued on with our normal lives. Joel
Prayers for you and your family.
< shrug >
After the first time I had my right arm immobilized for four weeks ... I learned not to be too picky about such things.
Just so's you keep your thumb, index finger, and middle finger together whilst folding 3rd & 4th finger against palm ...
AND can explain correctly why you do it.
That, and we should get on splendidly.
” Just so’s you keep your thumb, index finger, and middle finger together whilst folding 3rd & 4th finger against palm ...
AND can explain correctly why you do it.”
Very good, AB! But what will we do do with the Russian Old Believers?
Yes Alex, you are allowed to express skepticism about this image.
However, it's one thing to be skeptical because the image looks weird, or because you don't see any resemblance to your idea of how Jesus might look, or because there have been so many reports of this sort recently.
It's another thing entirely to object on the basis of principle, the same way the Pharisees pooh-poohed the miracles of Jesus. What I and others are arguing against is the idea that "God couldn't and wouldn't do anything like this....because he simply doesn't "do" this sort of stuff".
That's putting God in a box and it's Pharisee-ism.
You sound like a Muslim, not a Christian.
18 Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle. 19 Let one cherub be on the one side, and the other on the other.and Numbers 21:
8 And the Lord said to him: Make a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live. 9 Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.?
We know in part, see in part. One thing we can know: God’s ways are not our own. If He says to do something, we should obey. If man says to do something, we are to test and see if it lines up God’s instructions. Nowhere do we see God tell Christians to “venerate” men, angels or an image.
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