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To: dangus

**Take care what you state, that you do not commit blasphemy! Christ still lives!**

Hello?? FRiend, I quoted the words of Jesus from Matt. 28:18; (after the resurrection...from...the...dead) “All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.” I absolutely affirm he has risen from the dead.

So I ask you, who gave him all power? Certainly not Mary.
I referred to John 3:34. Here’s the next verse: “The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL things into his Hand

Who raised the Christ from the dead? Certainly not Mary.
The Spirit of God left the Christ while on the cross, or he would...never...have...died. As simply as the bread and fishes was multiplied by God, so would an endless supply of oxygen charged blood sustained his body while on the cross.
But, as the passover lamb, he had to die. That’s the object Mary was blessed to help bring forth; the man Christ Jesus, not the God that chose to dwell in him without measure.

**This is the very reason why Orthodox, Catholic are so mystified by Mary**

Your problem, not mine.

**the ancients doctrinally established the title of “Mother of God”**

And that is probably where your problem started. One could make a case that the one that transforms himself into an angel of light (Satan) has also transformed into an ‘ancient’ in time past.

I realize that man-made tradition dies hard, for the pride that sustains it has been passed on for generations.

Let God be true, and every man a liar.


79 posted on 04/10/2008 7:21:02 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

Dying is a separation of the spirit from the body. Insofar as Christ’s divine nature was temporarily separated from his body, Christ’s divine nature did indeed die.

But even normal sinful men who die do not destroy their souls by dying.

Nothing of Christ was destroyed by death, except, temporarily, the union of his body and spirit; the first fruits of the resurrection all the dead will experience at the Final Judgment.


81 posted on 04/10/2008 10:25:38 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Zuriel

>> Your problem, not mine.<<

I do not use the word “mystified” as an eight-year-old would. Being mystified isn’t a problem; it doesn’t mean to be left puzzled over apparent contradictions. It means to be transformed into a state of awe and wonder.

>> I absolutely affirm he has risen from the dead. <<

And yet you stated, in devestating contradiction to this, the assertion that what Mary was the mother of is dead.

>> So I ask you, who gave him all power? Certainly not Mary. I referred to John 3:34. Here’s the next verse: “The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL things into his Hand Who raised the Christ from the dead? Certainly not Mary. <<

No one debates this.

>> The Spirit of God left the Christ while on the cross, or he would...never...have...died. As simply as the bread and fishes was multiplied by God, so would an endless supply of oxygen charged blood sustained his body while on the cross.
But, as the passover lamb, he had to die. That’s the object Mary was blessed to help bring forth; the man Christ Jesus, not the God that chose to dwell in him without measure. <<

But that which was the son of Mary also rose from the dead. The spirit re-entered flesh. Jesus was not the co-existence of two beings in one form, but was one being with two natures. That one being did experience death in the manner that the saints still do; like all men, his soul persisted after death. But he is neither dead nor asleep; his soul has reunited with his flesh.

When Elizabeth said, “who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me,” she did not mean in the earthly sense, for Jesus the man had “no kingdom in this world.” Rather, the Greek word used to express the object of her wonder was the same word used in bibles in her day so as not to write the Holy Name. (i.e., “Thus sayeth the Lord:”)

It was not until the adoptionist heresies that anyone mistook “the Lord” for anything other than “YHWH.”


82 posted on 04/10/2008 10:30:20 AM PDT by dangus
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