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To: Mrs. Don-o
Food for thought...has anyone heard of a Muslim named Raphael?

In Catholic teaching, the archangels are Michael (Revelation 12), Gabriel (Daniel 8, Luke 1), and Raphael (Tobit 12). I don't want any discussions over whether the Book of Tobit is OK, please note that I said "Catholic teaching."

I also read with interest that according to Judaic tradition, Gabriel is the angel who wrestled Jacob, as well as commanding Abraham, Noah, and Moses.

In Eastern Orthodox tradition, the other angels are named to round out the "the seven, who stand before the Lord" (Tobit 12:15). The other four named are Uriel, Selaphiel, Jegudiel, and Barachiel. Pope Gregory I listed the other four as Uriel, Simiel, Orifiel, and Zachariel. Another list has them as Uriel, Sealtiel, Jhudiel and Barachiel. Since the other four aren't named in Scripture, who knows. My knowledge of them as far as names are concerned is limited to the three mentioned in the Bible.

In Islam, the oral traditions, known as Hadith, mention an angel Israfil (apparently Raphael in Arabic) as the Angel responsible for signalling the coming of Judgment Day by blowing the horn and sending out a "Blast of Truth". Catholics usually assign this duty to Gabriel.

The point is, however, that if a Muslim man were named after the angel, wouldn't he be named Israfil? Add to this the fact that this Raphael is "Patriarch," a title used usually in the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Rites, and I have to wonder.

Research of a list of patriarchs from 2002 turns up the name of Raphael I Bidawid, who is listed as Patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church, which is based in Iraq, and furthermore, in full communion with Rome. You may recall that the Chaldean Archbishop of Mosul was recently kidnapped and killed by Muslim terrorists.


Raphael I Bidawid meeting Pope John Paul II

Raphael I Bidawid died on July 7, 2003, and was replaced as Chaldean Patriarch by Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly in December of 2003. Yes, Cardinal Delly. Benedict XVI gave him a red hat. The next time they meet to elect the Pope, he has a vote. They could elect him Pope if that is God's will.


Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly, receiving his red hat from Pope Benedict XVI

All anyone has to do is a little bit of searching.

Which brings us to the picture. The guy in the picture with the Pope does NOT look like Patriarch Raphael I of the Chaldeans. And the book he is kissing does look like the Sharif Arabic Bible. I almost wonder if there is another version of this picture which shows Raphael I in his red outfit on the other side of the Pope, and he was cropped out. Even then, though, that would mean that this picture was taken in Rome.

Which is another thing to consider -- where is this picture taken? The Pope wanted to visit Iraq as a pilgrimage to follow in the steps of Abraham, but was denied permission. Every time Patriarch Raphael I met him, it was the Patriarch who went to Rome. The Pope went many places, but did not go to Iraq.


Here is a map with all the places JPII traveled to as Pope. According to the Holy See website, the places JPII travelled to in his later years (2000 until his death, because in the photo, he appears to be older Pope JPII) are:

France
Switzerland
Slovakia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Spain
Poland
Canada
Guatemala
México
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Ischia
Kazakhstan
Armenia
Ukraine
Greece
Syria
Malta
Portugal
Israel
Egypt

So there are some opportunities for JPII to visit places where he would encounter men like Mr. Joe Shiek, witness to the Pope's kissing. Joe Shiek could be from anywhere, although he is most likely from a country with an Islamic presence, and there are a few of those on the above list.

I almost wonder if the picture and the caption aren't related. That this Patriarch Raphael I of the Chaldeans has nothing to do with the picture. Therefore, the motivation of the people coming up with the picture and caption can be considered dubious, but even then, what of the picture? Where was it taken? Who is pictured with him? What is he kissing?

This picture leads to more questions than answers.
109 posted on 04/09/2008 10:19:56 AM PDT by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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To: BaBaStooey

Ok, here we go, more info!

“... On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shiite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni President of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion.....At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect.” - Raphael I Bidawid, Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans in an interview with the FIDES News Service

So Raphael I is not the man in the picture, but it is from his interview with a news service that we learn the story behind the picture. Note that the above quote wasn’t used by the original poster.

I will give Islam credit for one thing, though, they have more respect for Mary than the Protestants do. Which is amazing, considering all the prejudice against women in places like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban.


111 posted on 04/09/2008 10:40:10 AM PDT by BaBaStooey ("Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light." Ephesians 5:14)
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