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To: verga; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I am sure you have a point... What is it?..
Unless you don't.. In which case a point is still made..

Being "born again" or "born from above" or even "born anew" is the same basic idea.. The point of; born of water as 1st birth and born of the Spirit 2nd birth is still precient.. I add that "born again" is a metaphorical verbal instrument since all humans have a human spirit from birth.. Being born again is an "identity" issue.. Either you are flesh or spirit.. Baptism is not being born again.. it is a "ceremonial death" of the "old man".. from the first birth.. i.e. immersion(baptismo)..

What are you?.. <<- rhetorical question..

88 posted on 04/06/2008 4:19:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Jesus and Nicodemus never said “again” Jesus said “from above” and Nicodemus misunderstood the “born” part, he asked if he could re-enter his mothers womb.
The mis-understanding was about the word born


90 posted on 04/06/2008 4:59:58 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: hosepipe

Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


96 posted on 04/06/2008 9:38:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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